Almost!
but that is "just" dual ISO, and the readout is relatively slow.
Still a great camera for a production set.
The "win" for Lumix is to put a higher DR camera with good AF in the hands of indie filmakers, handheld, etc.
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but that is "just" dual ISO, and the readout is relatively slow.
Still a great camera for a production set.
The "win" for Lumix is to put a higher DR camera with good AF in the hands of indie filmakers, handheld, etc.
Nevyn72
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And now there are rumors that the photocentric one is delayed:
www.l-rumors.com
The Lumix S1RII launch got delayed… - L mount system camera rumors and news
A trusted source told me that the Lumix S1r successor launch got delayed. We now can expect this camera to be on market by early 2025 only. The same source confirmed this camera will be based on the same Leica SL3 tech, featuring the same 60 MP sensor made by Sony. The current S1R has
www.l-rumors.com
CharlesH
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That's a bummer if true. This is the Panasonic camera I've been waiting for. That plus a faster readout than the Sony sensor in the SL3.
Nevyn72
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I agree. I have the S5iiX and the S5 right now, but only use the S5 when I need 2 camera's.
Somewhere in the future I would want want to exchange the S5 for another S5iiX, or another future videocentric FF Lumix camera.
Why not the GH7 you could argue, but that would mean two sets of lenses, and I often shoot in low-light situations, where FF just performs better.
CharlesH
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I often use two cameras for video, the S5IIx and the G9II. Now that I have the S9 I may use it as the B cam. That doesn't stop me from having a flagship camera; I have an A1.
Nevyn72
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Interesting: Do you have issues with colormatching the A1 with the Lumixes?
CharlesH
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I don't use Lumix and Sony together, because of the difficulty to match color. I prefer Panasonic color, and use Lumix for video most of the time, which is a reason to have more than one Lumix camera. I prefer the Sony A1 for wildlife; but I don't do multi-camera of wildlife. There is a plugin for Resolve called CineMatch to match different camera types. I've tried it some and would say it's not perfect, but it is a good start and reduces the work to match two different camera types. But I always avoid video with two camera types if possible.
Nevyn72
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I understand. I managed to pass the color grading course with certificate from Blackmagic Design, and they learn you some tricks how to match it by hand, but I found it difficult.
It is easier with a good monitor (or LG Oled TV), I found out but still difficult.
A Lumix version of the Sony A1 would be great, even at 6.500 €.
I am already saving...
But, it could be that they will launch a S1Hii in autumn and the photocentric flagship in 2025.
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All they would need to do is use the same stacked sensor that Nikon uses in the Z9 and combine the images from the low gain and high gain amplification in camera. Presumably that cause more rolling shutter issues but seeing as this sensor already reads at 1/250s ish it should still be able to read out at 4k120.
I'm concerned that the reason they may not have done this yet is due to power concerns or processing difficulties. If the L2 chip cannot handle 8k or 8k downsampled to 4k or can only do so for 30 minutes of battery or something similar, it may be bottlenecking potential future cameras. Presumably if they use DR boost I'm assuming that would cut battery life dramatically, probably why the GH7 has such a terrible battery life despite being a large camera.
Regardless of what they do, they need to release something. Even just matching the Z8 headline specs would keep more people in the system and would be enough for some people to switch from DSLRs or m43, APS-C etc with all the other compelling features Lumix brings. Even if they just copy the Z8 specs, it's still a Z8 with amazing IBIS and a great affordable lens selection and video features, LUT support, etc. Give it a better EVF and dual CFE with a mechanical shutter and charge a similar price, people will be begging for one and they'll fly off the shelves.
So much speculation and I can understand your individual hopes.
IMO I don't think they will release bigger bodies than the S5ii size as there is little point and seemingly little market for bigger cameras, it seems the opposite.
Equally an S1ii... what's the point over S5ii, a higher MP screen, higher spec shutter and supposedly better body would be a tiny niche market as there is nothing lacking there.
An S1Rii in S5ii body size i neither think is more probable as this too is a relatively niche market if they use the same Leica SL3 sensor with slow read out and will gain little market attraction... The cheaper Leica alternative will not suffice nor be advantageous long term!
As a poster above said they'd be better doing at least a Z8 performing camera and pushing the envelope to gain market share.
Panasonic needs to try and catch up with the others, a flagship sports camera and 600mm f4 lenses etc. if long term they want to be there. An S1Rii clone of Leica SL3 won't cut it and I can't see why they can't do better either given recent progression. If they don't follow this progressive path they'll eventually become a Pentax.
Perhaps they already know such and are releasing something unexpected to your thoughts?
IMO I don't think they will release bigger bodies than the S5ii size as there is little point and seemingly little market for bigger cameras, it seems the opposite.
Equally an S1ii... what's the point over S5ii, a higher MP screen, higher spec shutter and supposedly better body would be a tiny niche market as there is nothing lacking there.
An S1Rii in S5ii body size i neither think is more probable as this too is a relatively niche market if they use the same Leica SL3 sensor with slow read out and will gain little market attraction... The cheaper Leica alternative will not suffice nor be advantageous long term!
As a poster above said they'd be better doing at least a Z8 performing camera and pushing the envelope to gain market share.
Panasonic needs to try and catch up with the others, a flagship sports camera and 600mm f4 lenses etc. if long term they want to be there. An S1Rii clone of Leica SL3 won't cut it and I can't see why they can't do better either given recent progression. If they don't follow this progressive path they'll eventually become a Pentax.
Perhaps they already know such and are releasing something unexpected to your thoughts?
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As always everyone has special needs and interests. For me the main camera needs no video at all! If I want to do some video with my family I can use my iPhone...
I work with the S1R since 2020 and it is a great camera. Only small things to be updated, except for the AF which needs a major update. I do no action with the S1R, but a lot of portrait & fashion and the AF in low light or backlight situations needs to be better. This is the one thing I really want!
But to pay 4000-6000 just for new AF is no way! The quality of the S1R raws is so good, I don´t need 60MP.
The only other option would be a classic style camera like a Nikon Zf. With L-mount.
But I believe this will stay a dream...
I work with the S1R since 2020 and it is a great camera. Only small things to be updated, except for the AF which needs a major update. I do no action with the S1R, but a lot of portrait & fashion and the AF in low light or backlight situations needs to be better. This is the one thing I really want!
But to pay 4000-6000 just for new AF is no way! The quality of the S1R raws is so good, I don´t need 60MP.
The only other option would be a classic style camera like a Nikon Zf. With L-mount.
But I believe this will stay a dream...
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I fear Lumix will always be lagging behind Sony, Canon and even Nikon when it comes to AF performance.
It´s ok if they take their time to release a new HiRes camera. The later it comes the better will be it´s AF.
It´s ok if they take their time to release a new HiRes camera. The later it comes the better will be it´s AF.
Nevyn72
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The latest AF updates for the S5ii(X), which the S9 and GH8 also have are great and almost on par with Sony, and same level as Canon/Nikon. But they came from the rear and got quite quickly to the front second/third place. Give them just a little bit more time and they will be there.
I do talk about video here because that is what I do most. Perhaps not so interesting for the S1Rii, but definitely interesting for the S1Hii.
Nevyn72
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GH7 ofcourse
If we are asking for a wishlist, I would like a S5iiR (S5 body, high-count pixels sensor) for the next generation of body that could interest me in 2-3 years (budget wise)
I don't shoot video at all so a slower sensor (SL3-style) would not be too much an issue (I think, not sure to grasp how much it will impact AF-C or FPS).
I don't shoot video at all so a slower sensor (SL3-style) would not be too much an issue (I think, not sure to grasp how much it will impact AF-C or FPS).
I wouldn't necessarily speculate that idea, they have made gigantic leaps already despite being new with PDAF and their stability systems are the superior. You could be right but Lumix ain't Pentax... Thank God, Jesus, Ala, Buddah and all deities
I think it only depends how big this gap is in real life situations and how long it will take Panasonic to reduce that gap to a size which does not matter anymore for 99,9% of the people.
In my view this AF gap will be very soon like the difference in image quality of all available 24MP sensors, no matter which camera brand. Who cares nowadays about these differences?
The first huge step in AF for Panasonic was the introduction of thr S5ii. Second step the firmware upgrades for the S5ii for AF inprovements.
We are now at a very minor gap, which only matters for very specific demands of maybe 1% of potential Lumix buyers. A professional sport photographer will not buy L-Mount anyway, no matter how good the AF will be, because he needs more than this, like service/exchange at sport events etc. This is not the target group of L-Mount.
Face detect/eye detect could be an AF area to improve for the L-Mount target group. IMHO, it is a question of 12-18 months until this is improved by FW updates at a level, none of us can complain about it anymore for our use cases. I doubt that I will realize any meaningful differences then to Sony, Nikon, Canon.