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Panasonic’s new cameras

pdk42 said:
That sort of supports my suspicions - Panasonic's emphasis on a high-end FF camera will be video/hybrid orientated rather than hi-res stills. That is - probably no S1R ii.
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The next camera will most certainly be a S1R successor with 61 MPix. I'm very sure that this camera is or was already at some reviewers. Chris and Jordan from PetaPixel gave some hints in their SL3 review and Dpreview in there 28-200 example image gallery, respectively in the introduction of the sample image gallery for that lens.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
The next camera will most certainly be a S1R successor with 61 MPix. I'm very sure that this camera is or was already at some reviewers. Chris and Jordan from PetaPixel gave some hints in their SL3 review and Dpreview in there 28-200 example image gallery, respectively in the introduction of the sample image gallery for that lens.
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Hmm, I wish I were as convinced. The DPReview comment is this:

A couple of notes about this gallery: All the photos were captured using a Panasonic S5IIX camera, a 24MP body, as we're working on finishing up our review of the S5II and S5IIX, and this was the camera I had with me in Japan. We'll add photos from a higher-resolution body at a later date. Similarly, we'll add some macro images to the gallery when we get a chance.
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It's quite possible that "we'll add photos from a higher-resolution body at a later date" refers to using the existing S1R.

And given their focus on hybrid cameras, I would think an S1H replacement would be more urgent than a stills-orientated hi-res S1Rii.
 
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AlanC said:
L-Rumors seems to think there will be an S1R successor as well:



https://www.l-rumors.com/rumor-from-china-panasonic-lumix-s1h-ii-to-be-released-in-q4/
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My guess would be the S1R successor, could also be a S5R or S5IIR, in July and a S1H and S1 Successor (maybe both in one body) in late autumn or early next year.

But a S1HII successor with the 61 MPix sensor of the SL3 is unimaginable for me. That's an excellent sensor for shooting landscape, architecture or product photography. It would also fit fashion photography or other subjects that doesn't need a fast readout. But it's not suited for videography at all. It's much to slow and therefore limiting in terms of frame rates for example.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
My guess would be the S1R successor, could also be a S5R or S5IIR, in July and a S1H and S1 Successor (maybe both in one body) in late autumn or early next year.
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I'd be happy with a smaller hi-res body. But I'd sure miss the superb EVF and dual-tilt screen from the S1R!
Quentinquirelino said:
But a S1HII successor with the 61 MPix sensor of the SL3 is unimaginable for me. That's an excellent sensor for shooting landscape, architecture or product photography. It would also fit fashion photography or other subjects that doesn't need a fast readout. But it's not suited for videography at all. It's much to slow and therefore limiting in terms of frame rates for example.
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I totally agree. I'm sure the S1Hii will have a full complement of high-frame-rate 6K and 8K modes - and that needs very high readout speeds.
 
Another one from CameraBeta on Weibo (translation via Safari):

[Panasonic Lumix S1R follow-up models may debut in the next 1-2 months?] Recently, there have been rumors about the follow-up models of Panasonic Lumix S1R and S1H. At present, Panasonic has registered three new models in China. At present, two of them have been officially released, namely Lumix S9 and Lumix GH7, and one has not yet been released.

It is reported that the follow-up models of the high-pixel model Lumix S1R are expected to be seen in the next 1-2 months, which should be equipped with the same sensor as the Leica SL3, but the price is more affordable, and the specific release time is uncertain.

It is also reported that the follow-up models of the S1H will be on sale in the fourth quarter of this year (October-December). According to common sense, the release time will be earlier than the release date. You can look forward to it. It is said that the new machine will be equipped with 24 million or higher pixel sensors, instead of the 60 million pixels of SL3. That is to say, S1H still focuses on video (but does not seem to be in a hurry to support 8K video), and S1R focuses on high pixels.
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https://www.weibo.com/u/5029300214
 
Quentinquirelino said:
That would be a good for my guess, for the S1R successor in July. We will see.
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Panasonic just registered another model:

Panasonic registered a new camera model in China! New S1HII or S1RII coming soon? - L mount system camera rumors and news

On July 12 Panasonic officially registered a new camera model in China. The camera code is "P2403A" and it supports dual-band WiFi + Bluetooth. What this registration means: Usually 2-3 months after the registration a new camera gets announced Dual-band Wifi supports means it's likely a mid to...
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com

That means Panasonic has now two registrations for new models, not yet released. But my guess with July for the S1R successor obviously not gonna happen.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
Panasonic just registered another model:

Panasonic registered a new camera model in China! New S1HII or S1RII coming soon? - L mount system camera rumors and news

On July 12 Panasonic officially registered a new camera model in China. The camera code is "P2403A" and it supports dual-band WiFi + Bluetooth. What this registration means: Usually 2-3 months after the registration a new camera gets announced Dual-band Wifi supports means it's likely a mid to...
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com

That means Panasonic has now two registrations for new models, not yet released. But my guess with July for the S1R successor obviously not gonna happen.
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They just might release a S9 in m43 format and and S7.... I hope for a S1iiX but we will have to wait a bit.... I presume until october...
 
Nevyn72 said:
They just might release a S9 in m43 format and and S7.... I hope for a S1iiX but we will have to wait a bit.... I presume until october...
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I don't expect a m43 format S9.

Currently there is not much space for price differentiation between the S5II and the S9. A S7 would have to be priced above the S9, but because the S5II is currently actually the same price as the S9, it would have to be also more expensive than the S5II. So a S7 would probably cannibalize S9 and S5II sales. Maybe after a S5III or right before it. Also Panasonic would probably wait to see the actual market success of the S9 first, before releasing such a camera.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
I don't expect a m43 format S9.

Currently there is not much space for price differentiation between the S5II and the S9. A S7 would have to be priced above the S9, but because the S5II is currently actually the same price as the S9, it would have to be also more expensive than the S5II. So a S7 would probably cannibalize S9 and S5II sales. Maybe after a S5III or right before it. Also Panasonic would probably wait to see the actual market success of the S9 first, before releasing such a camera.
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Ooo I agree with you, I was joking. I expect the S1Rii first, followed by a S1Hii...

But we still have to wait I'm afraid. But it does look that they have upscaled their R&D quite a lot, because for a long time they where not releasing a lot...
 
The S1Rii could be an obvious choice, becuase the Leica SL3 is no in the shops for some months. I expect some identical techncial specs…
On the other side I don‘t expect a professional body, Panasnoic is actually more on the consumer side. Therefore a S5ii body with the big sensor is maybe more in a consumer pricerange…
 
RBecker said:
On the other side I don‘t expect a professional body, Panasnoic is actually more on the consumer side.
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The S1H has been a popular camera with video professionals. I can see Panasonic upgrading and replacing it (although they might upgrade and replace the BS1H instead, since box video cameras are becoming popular).
 
RBecker said:
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On the other side I don‘t expect a professional body, Panasnoic is actually more on the consumer side. Therefore a S5ii body with the big sensor is maybe more in a consumer pricerange…
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I think Panasonic has to release a more professional body. May not to attract professional photographers, but for professional video shooters. Every other manufacturer has fast sensors for low rolling shutter and higher frame rates. Panasonic is far behind in those regards.

However I think, they could do a more hybrid camera, compared to the original S1H. With the S5II Panasonic showed that they can build the fan less prominent in the camera and a OPLF may is less necessary with a higher resolution sensor, even for videography. So the main hardware differences of the S1 and S1H are less necessary. They could still sell software upgrades for specific video codecs, internal ProRes RAW or something like that. So I'm hoping for a S1X or S1iix.
 
My glass-ball reading...
This is the video-centric camera landscape in FF now:

There are a few 8k 60p cameras, with acceptable-but-not-amazing readout speeds, Z9, Z8, R1, R5ii, A1 (I think 8k30p)
-6k with high readout speed A9iii, R3 and Z6iii.
-Pure 4k are ZVE1, FX3 and A7S3. only they do all-pixel 4k120p, even though it seems they actually read only some of the pixels because the sensor is a binned A1 sensor, hence the 4k120p is not super sharp in any of the cameras (still pretty good though).
The dynamic range, aka color IQ, is from best to worst A7S3/ZVE1/FX3, Z8-9, A1, R1-5 (to be confirmed), Z6iii, A9iii. These last ones seem to be about 2 stops worse (base ISO) than leading (slow readout such as A7R3-A73-Z6ii-S5ii-etc) sensors, also at MFT OM1 level, worse than a G9ii (at those particular conditions).
Most of them offer some type of raw video. Sometimes as "added feature", sometimes because the processing power cannot work into H.264 or H.265 file versions.
All of them offer "HQ" 4k, with oversampling. Many-most of them overheat in those conditions, I think exception R3 and FX3, and others with fan accessory.
The Canon and Sony offer excellent AF, the newer Nikon seem to have caught up. Differences now are more in detail, like subject detection and selection, and in which modes which AF works. All have some weird AF quirks in some specific conditions, but marginal.
Battery life is mostly OK, good in Sony and the large gripped cameras (R1-3-Z9).
Overheating is a concern in most of them, except probably Z9, A7S3 and FX3.
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So what can Lumix do?
I would say, first thing, to use a Dynamic Range Boost sensor, like GH7. This will let them use a low gain, clean low ISO (probably like Nikon, so base ISO 64 in photos), and combine it with a high gain shadow gain circuit. They would offer Arri level DR. If they also offer Arri Log and Apple Prores Raw...
I think 24 MPX is enough, even 22 if necessary.
Different readout modes with and without DR boost for different requirements of rolling shutter and DR.
A CINE version with only DfD focus, no PD pixels, no IBIS.
GH7 body.
Expand to other raw format(s) internally that Davinci (the de-facto winner of the NLE wars) can use natively.
2 fast cards or 1 card + SSD dual recording.
Open gate in all possible formats.
Proxy in MP4Lite format.
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With those features (and no overheating and great IBIS etc that they do well already), I see them winning back lots of market share in the professional video space.
That camera can easily be at 4k price and still be a bargain.
 
I agree 6K is enough, but would need at least 4K 60P no crop, 120P with APC-crop is reasonable. GH7 body with IBIS would be great, but would it fit?

I understand the concerns in video quality with PDAF, but I would still want it.

I agree about the NLE, BRAW is a necessity.

Built-in variable ND would be nice, and ofcourse things like timecode...

Is it in my spending zone? Not now but I would love to buy one later one.

What I would love to see is that Panny/Lumix buy's Arri... That would change the game a lot but I'm afraid it won't happen...

And we don't ofcourse not need to talk about overheating... A Lumix will never overheat.... Period.
 
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