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Panasonic’s new cameras

Quentinquirelino said:
"Panasonic lumix will announce a new very high end camera along with the S1H mark2.
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I read it as: no S1R for now, higher end video oriëntated camera's are coming. (and one them really high end).

Also in de rumor mill: DJI will come with a mirrorless camera (https://www.techradar.com/cameras/m...on-5-reasons-why-that-could-be-a-game-changer).
And we know: Black Magic just had two very high end new sensors (https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicursacine).
All are part of the L-mount Alliance....

Lets say, I would not be suprised if the are sharing sensors... And than the Really High End Panasonic (for now) whould have a 12K sensor (The 17K sensor is bigger than a L-mount lens can handle).

And I presume than no Phase-AF for the really High-end.
 
I think it's possible that we won't see an S1Rii; or at least, not a camera addressing the same target sector as the original. The S1R is very much a stills-orientated camera designed for studio and landscape shooters (sure it can be used for other things, but that's where it's most relevant). That is not at all where Panasonic are positioning themselves. Maybe we'll see a high Mp camera, but the pixels will be for high res video, not stills. I suspect it'll be quite expensive and will have cooling etc that stills-only shooters will find only adds bulk and not features.

The Leica SL3 will probably remain the L-mounts "mainly stills" top-end body.
 
pdk42 said:
I think it's possible that we won't see an S1Rii; or at least, not a camera addressing the same target sector as the original. The S1R is very much a stills-orientated camera designed for studio and landscape shooters (sure it can be used for other things, but that's where it's most relevant). That is not at all where Panasonic are positioning themselves. Maybe we'll see a high Mp camera, but the pixels will be for high res video, not stills. I suspect it'll be quite expensive and will have cooling etc that stills-only shooters will find only adds bulk and not features.

The Leica SL3 will probably remain the L-mounts "mainly stills" top-end body.
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Certainly possible. On the other hand, this:

"The high end camera has 40-50MP very fast stacked sensor or global shutter sensor and do 8k120fps. More details soon."

Sounds very much like what I'd expect from an S1RII in today's market. It's interesting that they are not quoting a 60 MP sensor, but, on the other hand, lowering the resolution a bit may be their way of dealing with the incremental loss of DR that happens with a stacked sensor.

Regardless of what they call it, it sounds like their "does everything extremely well" body, which is what I'd expect from their top-end body. I'm sure you are right that they will not create a "mainly stills" model - they have made the emphasis on hybrid bodies very clear in interviews - but it should still be epic for stills work. After all, pixels are pixels. I personally am fine with a hybrid approach. And, I'd like to have the cooling for astro - that plus pixel binning could be very sweet for that genre.

But yes, the SL3 will be the egalitarian answer for people who want a more minimal feature set, I agree. I hope to at least experiment with one at some point.
 
I'm still very sure that there will be a Panasonic version of the SL3, with the exact same 61 Mpix sensor. And with that sensor, it only can be a stills oriented camera. Panasonic will get as much video specs out of it as they can do, but the sensor doesn't scream video at all. But I agree, a fast video beast is probably higher priority for Panasonic.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
I'm still very sure that there will be a Panasonic version of the SL3, with the exact same 61 Mpix sensor. And with that sensor, it only can be a stills oriented camera. Panasonic will get as much video specs out of it as they can do, but the sensor doesn't scream video at all. But I agree, a fast video beast is probably higher priority for Panasonic.
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I'm not so sure. It seems that dates for an S1R successor keep getting pushed back, with the S1H replacement taking priority. I think this is totally understandable and frankly, given Panasonic's current positioning as the hybrid camera king, I'm surprised that the S1Rii is still on the agenda. As you say, the 61Mp sensor used in the SL3 is not at all the right sensor for advanced video users and why would Panasonic release a camera that doesn't do class-leading video?

Given that stills-only is now a niche market, why not leave it to Leica? Most of the people who want stills-only are likely to be old, cranky, and cash-rich!
 
Quentinquirelino said:
I'm still very sure that there will be a Panasonic version of the SL3, with the exact same 61 Mpix sensor. And with that sensor, it only can be a stills oriented camera. Panasonic will get as much video specs out of it as they can do, but the sensor doesn't scream video at all. But I agree, a fast video beast is probably higher priority for Panasonic.
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I hope you are correct, as I suspect that camera would be (somewhat) more affordable than the "do everything" camera. Although even if it wasn't, all it needs to have is the S1 style of articulating screen as opposed to the S5 style of a flippy screen, and they would have my money.
 
pdk42 said:
I'm not so sure. It seems that dates for an S1R successor keep getting pushed back, with the S1H replacement taking priority. I think this is totally understandable and frankly, given Panasonic's current positioning as the hybrid camera king, I'm surprised that the S1Rii is still on the agenda. As you say, the 61Mp sensor used in the SL3 is not at all the right sensor for advanced video users and why would Panasonic release a camera that doesn't do class-leading video?

Given that stills-only is now a niche market, why not leave it to Leica? Most of the people who want stills-only are likely to be old, cranky, and cash-rich!
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On the other hand, if they collaborated with Leica on the internals (which seems likely) it would be odd for them to not capitalize on that.

But if true, the rumours make it appear that such a camera will not be on the market until next year, at the earliest.
 
It's not a rumor at all, but couldn't Lumix make a photography-oriented S9(R), that is, with mechanical shutter, EVF, grip and hot shoe even if it were a little bigger than the current S9? I mean, couldn't Lumix make a Sony A7CR? I think that with the 24mpx and the HHHR shot of 96mpx it would be more than enough, right? And I think there would be enough demand...
 
xaviergut said:
It's not a rumor at all, but couldn't Lumix make a photography-oriented S9(R), that is, with mechanical shutter, EVF, grip and hot shoe even if it were a little bigger than the current S9? I mean, couldn't Lumix make a Sony A7CR? I think that with the 24mpx and the HHHR shot of 96mpx it would be more than enough, right? And I think there would be enough demand...
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It's not so much would they could do, but rather what they are likely to do.

Having said that, there is definitely a contingent that would love a L-mount rangefinder-style body, like the compact Sonys. Just doesn't seem very likely, but you never know.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Regardless of what they call it, it sounds like their "does everything extremely well" body, which is what I'd expect from their top-end body.
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So a competitor to the Nikon Z8 or Z9: those cameras have excellent video and still capabilities.

I'm still hoping they'll use the 60MP sensor in one of the new models. The success of the Sony A7R series shows the demand is there, and given the collaboration with Leica in the past it seems odd that there might not be a Panasonic variant this time round.
 
AlanC said:
So a competitor to the Nikon Z8 or Z9: those cameras have excellent video and still capabilities.
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Exactly.
AlanC said:
I'm still hoping they'll use the 60MP sensor in one of the new models. The success of the Sony A7R series shows the demand is there, and given the collaboration with Leica in the past it seems odd that there might not be a Panasonic variant this time round.
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100% agree.
 
AlanC said:
So a competitor to the Nikon Z8 or Z9: those cameras have excellent video and still capabilities.
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Yes, and it’ll be called the S1H mark ii.
AlanC said:
I'm still hoping they'll use the 60MP sensor in one of the new models. The success of the Sony A7R series shows the demand is there, and given the collaboration with Leica in the past it seems odd that there might not be a Panasonic variant this time round.
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I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not convinced that an ‘R’ model still fits into their market positioning.
 
pdk42 said:
Yes, and it’ll be called the S1H mark ii.

I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not convinced that an ‘R’ model still fits into their market positioning.
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Agreed, unfortunately. I really love the Panasonic ergonomics and usability so it's a bit of a bummer. But I think the 60+mp space makes more sense for premium Leica or niche Sigma who both want to show off what their lens designs are capable of on L-Mount.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
It's not so much would they could do, but rather what they are likely to do.

Having said that, there is definitely a contingent that would love a L-mount rangefinder-style body, like the compact Sonys. Just doesn't seem very likely, but you never know.
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I'm definitely one!

I've tried the A7C at my local camera store, and it left me cold. The ergonomics/controls just didn't work for me.
 
New rumor:

This rumored Panasonic S1II spec list might be wishful thinking… - L mount system camera rumors and news

On the Chinese forum Xitek you can find that Panasonic S1HII spec list. I believe it's wishful thinking and you? Panasonic S1H II rumored specs 100dB DCG-HDR 22.5MP BSI CMOS sensor Triple native ISO 640/2500/10000 DR Boost at 3240p/80fps, 2160p/120fps, 1080p/240fps Ultra-fast Phase Hybrid AF...
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com

This would be a very good video centric mirrorless camera, I would love it (although to expensive for me I'm afraid).
 
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