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Panasonic’s new cameras

If we end up with an AF that decides on which eye to put the focus point, or which makes 100% sharp sport photos every single time, I wonder what we shall do then as a photographer at all in the future?
If a camera offers eye-AF - which is a cute feature that we all like and use - the camera should always focus on the closer eye. Of course, you can focus manually if you have fun with it, I don‘t.
Panasonic DOES have fast AF. They've always had fast AF.
But only in AFS. Tracking objects in AFC was always and still is only mediocre, even with the new Phase AF. I dont care for video. AF tracking of S5II hasn’t much improved compared to my S5. My experience is that in some situations AFS of S5 is even better than the S5II. Eye recognition is one point.
 
I fear Lumix will always be lagging behind Sony, Canon and even Nikon when it comes to AF performance.
It´s ok if they take their time to release a new HiRes camera. The later it comes the better will be it´s AF.
I don't think I agree w/ this.. I'd say within the last year or two...the Panasonic auto-focus has taken a huge leap, especially in video auto-focus. It might not be as good as Canon, but I would say it's pretty on par, neck and neck w/ Sony. I've never shot Nikon for video, so I don't know but...Panasonic is right there, and definitely ahead of Fuji auto-focus for video. I didn't start using auto-focus on video until 2024, and the sole reason why I started was because the S5ii + recent update made it so. It is spot on. Game-changer for me. By this time next year...it'll be doing whatever Sony and Canon do, for sure. If not better.
 
I don't think I agree w/ this.. I'd say within the last year or two...the Panasonic auto-focus has taken a huge leap, especially in video auto-focus. It might not be as good as Canon, but I would say it's pretty on par, neck and neck w/ Sony. I've never shot Nikon for video, so I don't know but...Panasonic is right there, and definitely ahead of Fuji auto-focus for video. I didn't start using auto-focus on video until 2024, and the sole reason why I started was because the S5ii + recent update made it so. It is spot on. Game-changer for me. By this time next year...it'll be doing whatever Sony and Canon do, for sure. If not better.
Two things I've also noticed about auto-focus for Panasonic video... While recording, auto-focus enabled actually makes the stabilization even better. I don't know what it is or what it's doing but, you can actually see and feel the image get even more stable after you press record. I've tested this on the back LCD and then again looking thru the viewfinder, where I really saw it and noticed it. No complaints from me, just an added bonus I picked up on. The other thing I want to add is...a lot of people are just set it and forget it. They believe you should just be able to switch a setting and have it work the way we want. That's not always the case. I had to research about Panasonic video auto-focus, and then went in and dialed in the settings that work for ME and how I shoot. My auto-focus settings aren't lightning fast and track at the speed of light lol. Not what I want. In video, my auto-focus looks like a human / focus-puller is racking focus from one object to another, smooth and natural. Once I dialed that in, I haven't used manual focus for video since. I been shooting over 20 years, and the first time I've ever done this was this year, 2024. That tells me Panasonic is right there and doing it right.
 
My auto-focus settings aren't lightning fast and track at the speed of light lol. Not what I want. In video, my auto-focus looks like a human / focus-puller is racking focus from one object to another, smooth and natural.
Exactly, I'm with you. I see YouTubers showing how quickly autofocus can snap from one object to the next. This is crazy for video.
 
Panasonic DOES have fast AF. They've always had fast AF.

But only in AFS. Tracking objects in AFC was always and still is only mediocre, even with the new Phase AF. I dont care for video. AF tracking of S5II hasn’t much improved compared to my S5. My experience is that in some situations AFS of S5 is even better than the S5II. Eye recognition is one point.
I guess it depends on the subjects because my experience has been different. For the train photography that I do, I use burst mode in AF-C. The S5 was good but I would always get a few slightly out-of-focus shots in a burst. Not with the S5II - they are all in focus. There is no specific subject tracking for trains in the S5II yet (I am hopeful we will get it now that the GH7 has it) but AF-C is certainly working well for me.

I also tried AF-C with car subject tracking on a 3-lane section of road with fast heavy traffic and was amazed at how it locked onto the front of the car I pointed the camera at and followed it across the frame.
 
But only in AFS. Tracking objects in AFC was always and still is only mediocre, even with the new Phase AF. I dont care for video. AF tracking of S5II hasn’t much improved compared to my S5. My experience is that in some situations AFS of S5 is even better than the S5II. Eye recognition is one point.
Hmmmmm. I only have the S5, & don't shoot video either. I've found AF-C to be very very good. Good enough, that I don't even bother to shoot bursts, simply click off a single frame at the appropriate moment. Perhaps if I shot bursts at higher frame rates I might notice inaccuracies? For example, I was just heading into town one day, and saw a truck convoy heading past. 70 km/hr area, I stopped and clicked off about 80 shots, all AF-C, and there might have been one, maybe that were a bit out of focus. To me, that's a pretty damn good hit rate. Same with animals -the camera draws a box around the head, I press the shutter, & 99% of the time, the focus is on the eye. Even at f1.8-f2 on my 85 & 50mm primes. It actually surprises me constantly, at how good it is. Here look. 70mm @ f2.8
240218sP1001371.jpg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • 70.0 mm
  • ƒ/2.8
  • 1/1600 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • 0.3
  • ISO 100
240218s-P1001377.jpg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • 70.0 mm
  • ƒ/2.8
  • 1/2000 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • -0.3
  • ISO 100

240218s-P1001378.jpg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • 70.0 mm
  • ƒ/2.8
  • 1/2500 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • -0.3
  • ISO 100


To be continued.............
 
One after another after another
240218s-P1001380.jpg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • 70.0 mm
  • ƒ/2.8
  • 1/3200 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • -0.3
  • ISO 100
240218s-P1001390.jpg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • 28.0 mm
  • ƒ/10
  • 1/200 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • -0.3
  • ISO 100
Dragging the shutter a bit on this one, focused bang on the central point of the pattern I was using.
This dude pedaled past on his Carbon wonder bike. Single shot. Bang on his face, with a pretty busy background
240218s-P1001439.jpg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • 70.0 mm
  • ƒ/2.8
  • 1/2000 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • -0.3
  • ISO 100
 
My daughters dog :) Not happy with his adornments
240223s-P1001550.jpg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • 70.0 mm
  • ƒ/2.8
  • 1/125 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • ISO 400


Another random dog from the shopping center where I get my groceries
240210s-P1001314.jpg
  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • 28.0 mm
  • ƒ/2.8
  • 1/500 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • -1
  • ISO 100


More random dogs at car shows I wander around from time to time

For me, it works just fine. Am I saying it's perfect? Absolutely not. Am I saying Panasonic shouldn't continue to work on improving their AF? Absolutely not. What I am saying though, is that I find their previous gen/semi current AF pretty damn good. Certainly not poor, or lacking, as lots of reviewers try & suggest. Like I wrote, to get a significant step up in performance would require a camera body & lenses along the line of Nikons Z9, Canons R3 or whatever their current flagship body is -I'm not up to speed with what all the other manufacturers are doing, nor do I have any real interest, but I am pretty sure it would not be in Panasonic's -or ours, best interest to go down that road. Lots of money spent, for very uncertain returns. Or lack thereof
Just how I see it. If you want a full on sports/wildlife camera, best go for Sony/Canon/Nikon
 
I guess it depends on the subjects because my experience has been different. For the train photography that I do, I use burst mode in AF-C. The S5 was good but I would always get a few slightly out-of-focus shots in a burst. Not with the S5II - they are all in focus. There is no specific subject tracking for trains in the S5II yet (I am hopeful we will get it now that the GH7 has it) but AF-C is certainly working well for me.

I also tried AF-C with car subject tracking on a 3-lane section of road with fast heavy traffic and was amazed at how it locked onto the front of the car I pointed the camera at and followed it across the frame.
Pete, what AF settings are you typically using for photo? I've been having some issues with focus on the 28-200 but wonder if it's in part due to the slower aperture and in part due to my settings.
 
Pete, what AF settings are you typically using for photo? I've been having some issues with focus on the 28-200 but wonder if it's in part due to the slower aperture and in part due to my settings.
Do you have the silence mode on (electronic shutter). That has more issues with focussing on the s5ii(x).

For the rest: no issues with my S5iiX and 28-200 when focussing.

And yes I mostly do video but sometimes also photo.
 
Pete, what AF settings are you typically using for photo? I've been having some issues with focus on the 28-200 but wonder if it's in part due to the slower aperture and in part due to my settings.

Hi Timothy,

For train photography, I have AF Custom Setting (Photo) on Set 2 and I haven't changed any of the defaults within this set. The help info for this set says: "Suggested for situations where the subject moves at a constant speed in one direction. Example: train, airplane."

I don't have the 28-200mm lens. For trains, I am almost always using the 24-105mm or 70-300mm lenses at f8 to f10.
 
I don't have the 28-200mm lens. For trains, I am almost always using the 24-105mm or 70-300mm lenses at f8 to f10.
Those still have full open aperture for AF though but I'm sure you know this.

My 70-300 seems quite impressive in really dim or 1/2 dark conditions where eye detect AF still nailed it on a sparrow fledgling in the evening amongst dark trees... Had to use ISO 12800 giving an idea of the low light.

In such conditions the light available to the AF does matter but the AF still has impressive performance way beyond my previous DSLR where such was impossible and no eye detect anyway.

In brighter conditions using a slower f7.1 lens at that focal length shouldn't matter as much with S5ii in theory anyway, but in real life use there seems to be or could be a big enough AF performance difference. I don't really know not owning the 28-200 but I'll not be swapping my 24-105 or 70-300 for one.
 
In brighter conditions using a slower f7.1 lens at that focal length shouldn't matter as much with S5ii in theory anyway, but in real life use there seems to be or could be a big enough AF performance difference. I don't really know not owning the 28-200 but I'll not be swapping my 24-105 or 70-300 for one.
I'd like to try the 28-200mm but I really must stop purchasing lenses! I have 4 zooms and 5 primes now. Z04 Nic 0075
 
I have the 28-200mm, and it can be hesitant to focus at 200mm in dim light.
My main issue has been slightly mis-focused shots, especially when shooting past 100mm. It gets in the ballpark but often goes in front of the nose or on the ear. I'm shooting mostly my kid and my dog in zone focus or spot AF with subject detect on (body). Was using set 1 at default but have tried experimenting with other settings and none seem to help much.

I tried shooting an open mic night for my church and most of those were mis focused but most were at 12800 ISO or higher and at those settings it's not too surprising...
 
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