News Lumix S9 - new camera rumor roundup

[Nevyn72]

Wow!

If you plan a trip with your family to Japan, sure your wife let you buy the camera, together with the 28-200mm?

She will especially say YES when you sell all the rest of your gear to finance this

 

[dirk]

Damn, poor lady, only one eyebrow

Yeah, the photoshop work was not made very good...

 

[dirk]

She will especially say YES when you sell all the rest of your gear

no way!

 

[Pete_W]

Thanks Richard, I am S5ii owner and I was going by Chris Nichols comments where he basically said he and everyone else was lost with the S9 LUTs.

I thought Chris Niccolls was particularly grumpy and negative in the S9 review.

Way too many complaints and not understanding or more precisely not wanting to understand the context of the S9. Everything he complained about that is missing in the S9 is available in the S5II so his complaints boil down to a lack of understanding about who Panasonic is targeting this camera at.

 

[Pete_W]

I've decided to wait a few months because of the price, haha. Simple reason: I am going to Japan for a month in August. The S9 costs like 500 EUR less in Japan. There's also an offer for getting the 26 F8 for free on top of that.

Or maybe I'll ask my Japanese friends if they can order one for me as soon as it releases and send it over.

Btw. exclusively for Japan (apparently?) you can also get the silver top with the colour options! So you can do silver/blue or silver/red etc. They have a service where they can reholster the camera. In fact, buy it red and decide after a year you want black? Panasonic will get it done!

Be careful purchasing a Japanese Lumix camera. In the m4/3 range the Japanese cameras were locked to the Japanese language, i.e. you could not change them to another language. Early on there was a firmware hack to get around this but I believe they locked that down too. Not sure if it applies to L-mount, but worth checking.

 

[Nevyn72]

I thought Chris Niccolls was particularly grumpy and negative in the S9 review.

Way too many complaints and not understanding or more precisely not wanting to understand the context of the S9. Everything he complained about that is missing in the S9 is available in the S5II so his complaints boil down to a lack of understanding about who Panasonic is targeting this camera at.

I'm actually losing my faith in their reviews... Although I know Jordan really loves Lumix cam's and understand them, Chris just want to be the 'populair' guy.

I really love the 28-200mm, it's also made for a special purpose, but he didn't understand it either. Although it does look he got a bad copy, what was not the smartest thing to do from Panasonic to not check the IQ of the test lenses..

 

[Oíche]

I'm actually losing my faith in their reviews... Although I know Jordan really loves Lumix cam's and understand them, Chris just want to be the 'populair' guy.

Agree, I think he likes to believe he is more important than other camera gear YouTubers perhaps since getting the dpreview gig which didn't last long. He has been off the mark with a lut of Lumix gear, maybe other brands also that we haven't bought and used.

If it wasn't for the polar opposite Mr Happy Richard Wong replying here to my post relating to info on what Mr Grumpy said I would still have the belief that the LUT process was even worse than S5ii whereas I'm inclined to believe Richard as he's quite impartial.

Gordon Laing (camera labs) is similar to Richard and seems less bias and less dramatic about equipment just reporting and demonstrating findings and performance.

 

[Nevyn72]

Agree, I think he likes to believe he is more important than other camera gear YouTubers perhaps since getting the dpreview gig which didn't last long. He has been off the mark with a lut of Lumix gear, maybe other brands also that we haven't bought and used.

If it wasn't for the polar opposite Mr Happy Richard Wong replying here to my post relating to info on what Mr Grumpy said I would still have the belief that the LUT process was even worse than S5ii whereas I'm inclined to believe Richard as he's quite impartial.

Gordon Laing (camera labs) is similar to Richard and seems less bias and less dramatic about equipment just reporting and demonstrating findings and performance.

Personally when I use LUTS, I want to do it in post, but I don't do quick turnaround videos or photos.

HOWEVER, it is explained quite well in several video's from youtubers like @Richard Wong and Gordon. It looks quite easy to use, although I presume in the future they will make it more streamlined.

 

[Oíche]

Personally when I use LUTS, I want to do it in post, but I don't do quick turnaround videos or photos.

I've something in common with the target market, a complete lack of intent for external video post processing. Besides you also need a decent modern computer or tablet which you don't need doing casual video clips.

I have a M1 mac mini but no interest in video processing. If you don't have such equipment you'd need to buy this and software so completely avoiding needing it is a boon.

HOWEVER, it is explained quite well in several video's from youtubers like @Richard Wong and Gordon. It looks quite easy to use, although I presume in the future they will make it more streamlined.

I might wait until S5ii gets firmware update with the slicker/easier LUT process in S9 before trying it on video. All I know is I use C4k50 APSC mode with my 70-300 and the high stability, dual IS and boost IS is amazing for the bird feeders. I've no idea what colour profile is being used but it looks natural and great usually with a CPL looking through a double glazed window... The only way besides remote camera control to video the birdies.

 

[dirk]

Joe Allam is normally a huge Fuji Fan. He just moved from UK to Osaka permanently:

 

[HarisO]

Personally when I use LUTS, I want to do it in post, but I don't do quick turnaround videos or photos.

HOWEVER, it is explained quite well in several video's from youtubers like @Richard Wong and Gordon. It looks quite easy to use, although I presume in the future they will make it more streamlined.

For me the easier LUT stuff is definitely a bit of a game changer. I shoot a lot of Cosplay events so I end up shooting like 30, 40 people in one day. I am obviously not editing all of those pictures to the full extent but being able to have several LUTs ready or modified easily and thus enabling me to basically shoot and immediately hand over the pictures (I.e. Pana‘s 30 second process) would be fantastic.

 

[robin0112358]

It's funny reading from people who are not the target market telling me that my opinion is invalid because I am not the target market. The difference is that I teach video production to the target market... young people who communicate their identity through various media channels. I am exposed to their world every day. I can easily separate my own interests (which are mostly photo-centric) from the aims of this camera.

I still see this model as a fail. Most kids are happy using their iPhones and see no need for any additional quality. When they do, they tend to gravitate to Sony. Panasonic is not on their radar at all. With some exceptional marketing that might change. Then they will get a camera that has several major flaws.... even if all they do is video clips. No headphone jack. Limited record time. Expensive. It may be less expensive than the equivalent Sony, but also lacks the extensive slo-mo modes and familiarity. There's also Blackmagic... who appeal to those on a (relative) budget who want a professional video workflow. With an ease-of-use Panasonic cannot touch.

And if those same young people start taking stills with the S9 (they still do that, by the way) they will wonder why they get banding on their indoor photos.

Panasonic gets one chance. For every fail there's a person who will simply NEVER consider a Lumix S camera again. Those people will be unaware that the other models work very well indeed, without time limits, with a headphone jack, and with much better photo features and ergonomics. All for only $300 more.

Maybe the body colours and LUT features will convert enough users from other brands. Maybe. But I don't see why those attributes couldn't exist without removing the back dial and shutter. It's not like those features are so intrusive that the user's brain will explode in confusion.

Reverting back to my own interests... what are the chances we will now EVER see a smaller hybrid camera suitable for photographers? And if we do, what is it going to cost? €3000? The price creep is real. And relative affordability is why I chose this system in the first place.

 

[robin0112358]

Oh, and a manual focus 26mm f/8 lens. Are they deliberately shooting themselves in the foot?

I'm not saying that there's no use for such a lens, if it came free with the camera. But consider again that target market...? What are they going to think? Oh yes, we already know.

 

[Nevyn72]

It's funny reading from people who are not the target market telling me that my opinion is invalid because I am not the target market. The difference is that I teach video production to the target market... young people who communicate their identity through various media channels. I am exposed to their world every day. I can easily separate my own interests (which are mostly photo-centric) from the aims of this camera.

I still see this model as a fail. Most kids are happy using their iPhones and see no need for any additional quality. When they do, they tend to gravitate to Sony. Panasonic is not on their radar at all. With some exceptional marketing that might change. Then they will get a camera that has several major flaws.... even if all they do is video clips. No headphone jack. Limited record time. Expensive. It may be less expensive than the equivalent Sony, but also lacks the extensive slo-mo modes and familiarity. There's also Blackmagic... who appeal to those on a (relative) budget who want a professional video workflow. With an ease-of-use Panasonic cannot touch.

And if those same young people start taking stills with the S9 (they still do that, by the way) they will wonder why they get banding on their indoor photos.

Panasonic gets one chance. For every fail there's a person who will simply NEVER consider a Lumix S camera again. Those people will be unaware that the other models work very well indeed, without time limits, with a headphone jack, and with much better photo features and ergonomics. All for only $300 more.

Maybe the body colours and LUT features will convert enough users from other brands. Maybe. But I don't see why those attributes couldn't exist without removing the back dial and shutter. It's not like those features are so intrusive that the user's brain will explode in confusion.

Reverting back to my own interests... what are the chances we will now EVER see a smaller hybrid camera suitable for photographers? And if we do, what is it going to cost? €3000? The price creep is real. And relative affordability is why I chose this system in the first place.

The biggest market will be Asia, especially China.

And I know a few on the Netherlands who are already interested in this camera, because they want to upgrade their camera from phone or handycam.

In the western world This is mostly not a cam for 16 year old (they don't have the money), and definitely not for the 50+ year photogear lover, but people in their twenties or begin thirties, with some also outside this group, like some here in the group.

I might be interested when it becomes < 1000 euro, and they fix the recording limit to at least 4K/30 min, what I understand is duable.

 

[Nevyn72]

I just found out something very interesting:

The camera has the WAF, this should make a lot difference to many members here ...

My wife found the camera cute, and a lot less intimidating than the S5iiX (with all the buttons)...

Can you guys check how in your household the camera lands?

For them the choice of color would definitely make a difference

 

[xaviergut]

I'm a little perplexed about how people criticize Panasonic because they have created the smallest full frame camera on the market, along with the Sigma FP, and say that it doesn't have all the physical characteristics of the S5IIx... well of course, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE PHYSICALLY... I don't know, maybe they were waiting for a miracle.

Furthermore, those people are the ones who would never buy a camera like the S5IIx (or the S5ii, the S5, the S1, the S1H or the S1R), but they have to criticize Panasonic by pretending that they are worried that the company will lose money with the S9. ..and what do they care if Lumix loses money with this camera?

Is it better that this camera exists on the market or not?

 

[Oíche]

Most of my own and most others thoughts about the quirky 26mm in a video

 

[HarisO]

I'm a little perplexed about how people criticize Panasonic because they have created the smallest full frame camera on the market, along with the Sigma FP, and say that it doesn't have all the physical characteristics of the S5IIx... well of course, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE PHYSICALLY... I don't know, maybe they were waiting for a miracle.

Furthermore, those people are the ones who would never buy a camera like the S5IIx (or the S5ii, the S5, the S1, the S1H or the S1R), but they have to criticize Panasonic by pretending that they are worried that the company will lose money with the S9. ..and what do they care if Lumix loses money with this camera?

Is it better that this camera exists on the market or not?

I see it as a relatively low-risk gamble on the part of Panasonic. We all know 2 more cameras are coming in the next months. Most likely another high resolution model and then the other one, god knows. But either way, for the people that want high specs, there is stuff coming. It's literally in the oven right now, you just have to wait for it to be done. Meanwhile, Panasonic also prepared a salad for your sister who's on a diet. You looked at the salad and it's not appealing to you, because, well, you want some protein in your meal. But there is always the option to, you know, just ignore the salad and... wait for your dinner to be done? You can wonder why Panasonic isn't putting a ribeye steak in the salad, but, well, maybe that salad is for people who want a particular thing and it's not exactly to your tastes.

 

[Markuswelder]

I thought Chris Niccolls was particularly grumpy and negative in the S9 review.

Way too many complaints and not understanding or more precisely not wanting to understand the context of the S9. Everything he complained about that is missing in the S9 is available in the S5II so his complaints boil down to a lack of understanding about who Panasonic is targeting this camera at.

I think it's typical of an awful lot of the "old school" rusted on stills camera users and reviewers. They just don't seem to be able to cope with change. Photography forums also. If it's not the same as last year's model, with a few % improvement in dynamic range, and/or AF speed, they simply wig out. It's just all to hard, so they resort to the only thing they do understand, that being criticism.
Sad but true
I think that's also a lot of the reason Adobe has such a big % of market share with their software. Not that it's particularly brilliant, but users simply can't cope with change, or learning something a little bit different and new. It's just all too hard

 

[xaviergut]

I see it as a relatively low-risk gamble on the part of Panasonic. We all know 2 more cameras are coming in the next months. Most likely another high resolution model and then the other one, god knows. But either way, for the people that want high specs, there is stuff coming. It's literally in the oven right now, you just have to wait for it to be done. Meanwhile, Panasonic also prepared a salad for your sister who's on a diet. You looked at the salad and it's not appealing to you, because, well, you want some protein in your meal. But there is always the option to, you know, just ignore the salad and... wait for your dinner to be done? You can wonder why Panasonic isn't putting a ribeye steak in the salad, but, well, maybe that salad is for people who want a particular thing and it's not exactly to your tastes.

Very good metaphor with the salad.
It seems that Lumix has released this camera before the summer a little without being ready in terms of lenses.
I suppose it will be related to the camera (or cameras) that will come in the fall, because they won't want to overshadow the S9 with the camera equivalent to the Leica SL3.