News Lumix S9 - new camera rumor roundup

[dirk]

I suspect that the new Panasonic camera will be derided by the DPR editors/reviewers because it's not a CaNikSonFuji camera and doesn't meet their standards for stills photography. "OMG it can't do BIF at a gazillion frames per second!" Or "You will have to carry a spare battery, it's the end of the world".

DPreview does not play any role anymore. They killed themselves. The youtube reviews of them will not achieve the same resonance as with Chris & Jordan. Petapixel will grow better.

Also the normal tests are nowadays a shadow of what they used to be 3 years ago. Part of the reason is also, that tests do play a less important role in today's market in general.

There are no bad cameras anymore. The current 24MP sensor of all brands deliver all you need for 99% of the people in 99% of the use cases.

The time and effort to produce a test which shall prove any kind of differences in LR with 800% magnification is not worth it compared to the benefits in real life.

Forums will play in the future a much bigger role, because only forums can reflect individual user preferences and direct communication and exchange of user experience among real users. Not only people who used a camera for 2 weeks on test charts.

Good youtubers (not all are good) have a niche to make a product fast well known in the first week. But also these are personal opinions. So 10 youtubers are like 10 users in a forum.

 

[Markuswelder]

I know that the GX80 was the best selling MFT model in MFT in Germany. The Lumix G9ii is huge.

Huge as in sales numbers, or huge as in size/weight?

 

[dirk]

Huge as in sales numbers, or huge as in size/weight?

Size/weight. Same as S5ii and even the original G9 is almost same size.

• Google - Pixel 8 Pro
• 6.9 mm
• ƒ/1.68
• 1/24 sec
• Center-Weighted Average
• Auto exposure
• ISO 593

• Google - Pixel 8 Pro
• 6.9 mm
• ƒ/1.68
• 1/24 sec
• Center-Weighted Average
• Auto exposure
• ISO 488

So it would definitely make sense to offer asap a GX10 in the dimesions of the GX9.

I think the target group for MFT G90 (the SLR shape) will take either the G9ii or upgrade to the S5. Therefore there is no need IMHO for that model line in MFT. GX10 and G9ii is enough for MFT.

If people want more, they can enter L-Mount.

I would die for a MFT GX10 plus something similar for L-Mount. Yes, I will use even in the future both. Each has its place.

But back to that S9 rumor. I am really curious about the final specs and how it will differ from the Sigma fp.

I even thought about organizing something for the LMF Patrons like buying the S9 and then send it like a "pass around" to the different Patrons of LMf to test it and write about their experience here.

I do the same in a wetshaving forum of mine, but that is a lot easier to ship and insure.

The problem is the shipping and insurance costs for camera and lenses. Does anybody has an idea for this?

If I would restrict this to EU would make it cheaper, but Great Britain could be a problem. I am open for ideas.

 

[Nevyn72]

I do wonder... All these vloggers/influencers juist for the S9? I would expect others influencers invited for that than the standard like @Richard Wong and the others who are always there.

The S9 is for a completely other market than the Hardcore Lumix users...

So what Camera are we missing? Will there be more announced?

 

[dirk]

With the S5ii it was the same.

The photokina does not exist anymore. An event in Japan is a lot cheaper than a photokina stand for a week in Germany.

 

[Nevyn72]

With the S5ii it was the same.

The photokina does not exist anymore. An event in Japan is a lot cheaper than a photokina stand for a week in Germany.

But there were 2 camera's introduced, including the S5iiX and these cameras ARE for @Richard Wong & Co very interesting....

I think not everything has leaked out yet...

 

[xaviergut]

I even thought about organizing something for the LMF Patrons like buying the S9 and then send it like a "pass around" to the different Patrons of LMf to test it and write about their experience here.

Very good idea, Dirk. But I insist, this is a videocentric camera, I mean, that is the strong point of the camera... we shouldn't expect that this camera does good BIF or ultramacro stuff... rather video with the vertical aspect ratio typical of smartphones, LUTs in camera, etc.

So what Camera are we missing? Will there be more announced?

What? A second camera will be announced next week (22nd May)? Really?

 

[dirk]

Very good idea, Dirk. But I insist, this is a videocentric camera

That does not mean that you can not take good pictures with it. The idea was not only limited to the S9.

It is a general idea for all kind of cameras and lenses. The tricky thing is how to finance it and how to deal with shipping and insurance.

What? A second camera will be announced next week (22nd May)? Really?

That was just an idea. We have no information so far that more than 1 camera will be announced.

 

[Nevyn72]

That was just an idea. We have no information so far that more than 1 camera will be announced.

Exactly what Dirk said

 

[xaviergut]

It is a general idea for all kind of cameras and lenses. The tricky thing is how to finance it and how to deal with shipping and insurance.

We have to look for a sponsor

 

[RuleOfThirds]

Size/weight. Same as S5ii and even the original G9 is almost same size.

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I really would have liked the top layout of the G9ii for the S5ii, and I would have put drive mode under a button. Hardy use that knob, but really would have appreciated the lcd on top.

 

[dirk]

I really would have liked the top layout of the G9ii for the S5ii, and I would have put drive mode under a button. Hardy use that knob, but really would have appreciated the lcd on top.

I use the drive mode very often, but I also could live with a different placement. There are many things with the G9 layout I like. Like the top screen, the on/off switch similar to Nikon cameras, button to change the size of the VF if you wear glasses etc.

But there are also other things I do prefer with the S5, like the front wheel. The front wheel of the G9 is at a place which is uncomfortable to reach. At least for me.

Nikon has the best solution for this in my view, but maybe Nikon has a patent on it so others can not copy it. Just a wild guess...

 

[dirk]

Let's recap what we know so far about the S9:

• No VF
• Electronic shutter
• Slightly bigger than Sigma fp
• Articulating screen
• 24MP
• Fullframe
• IBIS
• 4 different colours
• 18-40 mm kit zoom
• 26/8.0 manual focus FFL
• Shipping September/October
• Cheaper than S5ii, maybe even more (significantly) cheaper than only 300$ less.
• Maybe the 26/8.0 for free

The rumor sites are talking about some technological innovation, not seen yet in other cameras. What could that be?

Did Panasonic found a solution for the rolling shutter effect? Or is the electronic shutter made in a way that you will not miss the mechanical shutter?

The S9 has to have something that stands out compared to the Sigma fp. Otherwise it would not make sense.

If Panasonic releases such a small camera, they have to add an extremely small lens with it too.

If that Lumix 26/8.0 manual focus pancake lens is available later in autumn, this can not be that lens for the release date of the Lumix S9.

So which lens do we oversee or do not know about it yet? Is it only the 18-40mm kit zoom? How compact can this be?

Questions over questions...















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[xaviergut]

The S9 has to have something that stands out compared to the Sigma fp.

I think Andrea Pizzini said that the S9 has IBIS too.

 

[dirk]

Thanks for the hint. I added IBIS in the above posting now.

 

[dirk]

IBIS could be also the reason why the Panasonic Lumix S9 is bigger than the Sigma fp.

 

[Nevyn72]

IBIS could be also the reason why the Panasonic Lumix S9 is bigger than the Sigma fp.

And from a videographer perspective still interesting... If it doesn't overheat too easily...

Although I'm a bit worried about the lack of buttons. I wonder if they have a 'AI'-kind of settings like most phones? Does it 'just works'?
For the phone-filmers this would be a big pro.

And also be something what was 'never done before', a high quality camera with 'phone-app' automatic settings.

 

[Prosecutor]

If they build in a hybrid-AF (EFC) like they did in the G100/G110, it will be okay. But a pure electronic shutter will be a no-go (banding, rolling shutter).

 

[Prosecutor]

By the way: Lumix cameras cannot use flash light in electronic shutter mode. But the S9 will have a hot shoe. If that should make sense, there must be an EFC. Right or not?

 

[Nevyn72]

By the way: Lumix cameras cannot use flash light in electronic shutter mode. But the S9 will have a hot shoe. If that should make sense, there must be an EFC. Right or not?

There are rumors that it is a cold shoe...