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News Lumix S5D

FYI, here is a post from Lumix UK that adds a bit to the S5D rationale:

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I have to say that my reading of the EU directive is that whilst it's a requirement to offer the device with charger unbundled, it's not a requirement that it must ONLY be offered this way. But I guess Panasonic know better than I do so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

But in any case, surely the easiest way to offer the S5 without a charger is to change the box contents, not update the camera?

Makes no sense really.
 
pdk42 said:
FYI, here is a post from Lumix UK that adds a bit to the S5D rationale:

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Hi Paul, I think you missed a post from me yesterday. :cool: Exactly this post i shared yesterday, and also asked a question for Dirk on the forum to Matt, see a few posts back also the question and Matts reply.
 
Nevyn72 said:
Hi Paul, I think you missed a post from me yesterday. :cool: Exactly this post i shared yesterday, and also asked a question for Dirk on the forum to Matt, see a few posts back also the question and Matts reply.
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Oops, sorry Nevyn.
 
Nevyn72 said:
No problem, it's good to see a lot is happening on this forum , and than it's easy to miss sometimes.
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Yes, that's true.

But returning to this S5D "clarification" again, it really sounds more like an excuse than a primary reason for the camera's existence. Consider:

- The S5D is an old model so does not need to adhere to the new EU regulations

- The regulations in any case don't stop the selling of a bundled charger, they just require manufacturers to offer an unbundled package

- Even if Lumix wanted to remove the charger of their own volition, they could do this simply by changing the box contents and calling is S5, EU bundle

So, it begs some questions:

- Why have a new model name?

- Why add features that the old one doesn't have (DJI LIDAR support)?

- If there are new and worthwhile features, why not sell the camera in non-EU markets (esp the US)?

- Why should a camera sold without a charger not work in non-EU markets?

- If the US market really feels that another wall-wart is just what's needed, why not just package the S5D for the US with one included?

It all seems rather odd to me.
 
pdk42 said:
Yes, that's true.

But returning to this S5D "clarification" again, it really sounds more like an excuse than a primary reason for the camera's existence. Consider:

- The S5D is an old model so does not need to adhere to the new EU regulations

- The regulations in any case don't stop the selling of a bundled charger, they just require manufacturers to offer an unbundled package

- Even if Lumix wanted to remove the charger of their own volition, they could do this simply by changing the box contents and calling is S5, EU bundle

So, it begs some questions:

- Why have a new model name?

- Why add features that the old one doesn't have (DJI LIDAR support)?

- If there are new and worthwhile features, why not sell the camera in non-EU markets (esp the US)?

- Why should a camera sold without a charger not work in non-EU markets?

- If the US market really feels that another wall-wart is just what's needed, why not just package the S5D for the US with one included?

It all seems rather odd to me.
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As I stated earlier, its a big chance that they had to exchange some parts due to delivery reasons, at the company I work for we call it an internal revision. And even an internal revision would probably fall under the new EU regulations.

And I don't know what they have replaced for components (there was talk about the OLED EVF, but there might be more) but it might be that their the new software is not 100% the same as the old one.

The company I work for doesn't make camera's, but we DO use similar kind of development cycles:
 
I prefer to use a dedicated charger for camera batteries. I don’t have a problem with unbundling the charger, but I do have a serious problem with the way manufacturers have been massively raising the prices of their chargers.

Panasonic’s DMW-BTC15EB for the DMW-BLK22E batteries used by the S5 series costs £99 in the UK if you buy the power supply / cable / charger cradle combination, or £38 for the DMW-BTCD15 charger cradle only. £61 for a 9 watt power supply and cable is massively excessive: you can buy an Apple 20 watt power supply and 60 watt USB-C charging cable for £38, and I always thought Apple were overpriced.

The situation is just as ridiculous with Sigma. The BP-51 battery used by the fp series is identical to the Panasonic DMW-BLC12E. Sigma’s BC-71 charger costs £99 while the identical Panasonic DMW-BTC12EB charger costs £39. In both cases you get the power supply / cable / charger cradle.

What makes this even crazier is that the DMW-BTC12EB includes the same 9 watt power supply as the DMW-BTC15EB although the cable is different (USB A to B rather than A to C) despite costing £60 less.

The words "rip off" come to mind. :mad:
 
AlanC said:
I prefer to use a dedicated charger for camera batteries. I don’t have a problem with unbundling the charger, but I do have a serious problem with the way manufacturers have been massively raising the prices of their chargers.

Panasonic’s DMW-BTC15EB for the DMW-BLK22E batteries used by the S5 series costs £99 in the UK if you buy the power supply / cable / charger cradle combination, or £38 for the DMW-BTCD15 charger cradle only. £61 for a 9 watt power supply and cable is massively excessive: you can buy an Apple 20 watt power supply and 60 watt USB-C charging cable for £38, and I always thought Apple were overpriced.

The situation is just as ridiculous with Sigma. The BP-51 battery used by the fp series is identical to the Panasonic DMW-BLC12E. Sigma’s BC-71 charger costs £99 while the identical Panasonic DMW-BTC12EB charger costs £39. In both cases you get the power supply / cable / charger cradle.

What makes this even crazier is that the DMW-BTC12EB includes the same 9 watt power supply as the DMW-BTC15EB although the cable is different (USB A to B rather than A to C) despite costing £60 less.

The words "rip off" come to mind. :mad:
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I use two third party chargers which can charge 2 batteries at the same time, works like a charm.
 
Nevyn72 said:
As I stated earlier, its a big chance that they had to exchange some parts due to delivery reasons, at the company I work for we call it an internal revision.
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I'm sure that's the case.
Nevyn72 said:
And even an internal revision would probably fall under the new EU regulations.
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That's an interesting point. When does an internal revision become a "new model". For sure when you change the name of it! :)
 
pdk42 said:
I'm sure that's the case.

That's an interesting point. When does an internal revision become a "new model". For sure when you change the name of it! :)
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Or when it has to run different firmware
 
I thought that the original S5 was just taking a little time to clear old stock, I didn't realise that Panasonic seem to have kept it in production, presumably as a cheaper option in the same way that Sony do. It makes sense to change the designation to sell it without a charger but it should be £100 cheaper if that's what the original charger plus cable costs. Obviously they won't sell one alongside the other in any market because they're charging (pun intended) the same for both even though one is lacking the bundled charger.
 
Sigh. It's not difficult. Sell it like this. I'm good with that. No cables. No charger. Just a battery, & base. Surely that covers all regulations?
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Markuswelder said:
Sigh. It's not difficult. Sell it like this. I'm good with that. No cables. No charger. Just a battery, & base. Surely that covers all regulations?
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https://aliexpress.ru/item/10050053...st.29.4a9d4aa6j6nsj1&sku_id=12000032749245882

I already have a Kingmax with two batteries, but if I had seen it earlier, I would have bought it. I have heard that the difference between native charging and non-native is the difference in battery charging time. The native has three hours, the non-native has up to six o'clock.
 
sergun80 said:
I have heard that the difference between native charging and non-native is the difference in battery charging time. The native has three hours, the non-native has up to six o'clock.
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That is a huge difference. I would not do that.
 
sergun80 said:
https://aliexpress.ru/item/10050053...st.29.4a9d4aa6j6nsj1&sku_id=12000032749245882

I already have a Kingmax with two batteries, but if I had seen it earlier, I would have bought it. I have heard that the difference between native charging and non-native is the difference in battery charging time. The native has three hours, the non-native has up to six o'clock.
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I don't want a cheap Chinese aftermarket base. Just give me the damn original Lumix base in the box, and let me plug any of my existing Lumix USB C power supplies, or phone charger into it. It's. Not. Difficult.
 
Crikey, even Apple -one of the most stalwart proprietary charging/interface companies can manage it. Plug a 20W USB C charger in for standard charge rate. Plug a 30W USB C charger in for faster charging. (I think they're the numbers, I'm not an Apple fan, just bought the Wife the new iPhone 16 Pro Max or whatever it is)
Why is everyone trying to make it so difficult?
 
I think the power plugin is not the problem for the user. The problem is the charging station. That is not standardized and different even within the same brand.

Without it, you are forced to charge your battery in the camera. If something happens, good luck to convince the camera brand to replace your camera for free.
 
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