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News Lumix S5D

dirk said:
mmmhhhh....

I am not a videographer, therefore I can not really judge about this. But according to that video, LIDAR seems to be something which video people really want to have. I mean the results he is showing in the video - with and without - are very impressive.

He showed it with the S1H vs. S5ii. The S1H has the same AF as the S5. What I do not understand is, what is now the difference between a S5D and an S5 regarding LIDAR? I got the impression in this video, that the S5 could work already with LIDAR, same as the S1H. So, what is the added value of the S5D?

Can someone who is more firm with video explain this to me/us?
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I had seen the video a year ago, and don't have time to check it again, but I presume the following:

For the old S5, the S1 etc you need also a follow focus module from DJI, not only the lidar module. More bulky but also works on manual lenses

The newer cameras only need the DJI lidar when using autofocus lenses (when you want to use the lidar), but for manual lenses you still need both
 
I posted a comment under Sam's video, which was linked here. Maybe he can join LMF and give as some insights. I think more videographers would help us "to feel the power of the dark side" of Lumix cameras Z04 Flucht

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dirk said:
He showed it with the S1H vs. S5ii. The S1H has the same AF as the S5. What I do not understand is, what is now the difference between a S5D and an S5 regarding LIDAR? I got the impression in this video, that the S5 could work already with LIDAR, same as the S1H. So, what is the added value of the S5D?

Can someone who is more firm with video explain this to me/us?
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My guess would be, Panasonic used some cheaper parts in the hardware of the original S5, maybe the USB-C connection or it's controller, that would not allow the LIDAR device to work properly.
 
Nevyn72 said:
I had seen the video a year ago, and don't have time to check it again, but I presume the following:

For the old S5, the S1 etc you need also a follow focus module from DJI, not only the lidar module. More bulky but also works on manual lenses

The newer cameras only need the DJI lidar when using autofocus lenses (when you want to use the lidar), but for manual lenses you still need both
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Exactly, John.

It is possible to use the lidar focusing system on the original S5:



but, you have to put a focus motor, not just the thing that goes on top of the camera attached with the hot shoe.

Then the whole thing is excessively bulky, you practically need a 45 L backpack to carry it around :D

Also the price of this DJI focusing system is over 600€ in Germany...

I'm sorry, but trying to sell us the S5D and using the Lidar focusing system as a selling point seems like a real MacGuffin to me... hahahaha

I remember when Canon released a device to correct the overheating problem of the original Canon R5; "a new heatsink to vent the heat from the processor to the camera case where it could dissipate faster", whose price was $400. They maybe sold 3 or 4 units (hahahaha Teufel Grinsend Schwanz)

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I still do not get it. What exactly do I have to attach on to a Lumix S5D to be able to have this great AF with AF lenses and with manual focus lenses?

Only that little box shown in the hotshoe?

Addendum: I guess for manual focus lenses you need additionally an "arm" to turn the focus ring. But for AF lenses, you only need this kind of "flash" in the hotshoe of the S5D and you then get this great AF tracking?
 
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dirk said:
I still do not get it. What excatly do I have to attach on to a Lumix S5D to be able to have this great AF with AF lenses and with manual focus lesnes?

Only that little box shown in the hotshoe?
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First for follow focus:

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You have systems with gears and a motor what can for you do the focussing. Sometimes they have a big dial on the side for it for manual focusinging, sometimes remote.
With big budget movies you also have a second person during filming, the so called 'focus puller' who's only job is to make sure the right part of the picture is in focus. This exists already for years, see also

Than you have also a second device, the LIDAR controller what goes on top, what checks how fare hase to be focused.
They will never use it for big video movies, because where the lens is focused is often also a creative choice. For small budget movies who want better autofocus, or autofocus for manual options (than always together with the first device), it might be an option.
Note this does not have fancy options like subject or eye recognition. It does work in the dark, and it only works if the subject is not to far away.

So S5ii(X) and the S5D need sometimes 1 device, often still 2. The S1, S5 etc always need 2 devices.

Note to make the remote focus working you can have a lot of hassle of gears not aligning, most modern lenses don't have 'hard stop' at the beginning and the end, what make it again harder to use... This is definitly for niche cases, and pro's
 
Looking at the videos of Sam Holland etc., I see the S5D as a (very important) first step for video/film professionals to be more attracted to the L-Mount system. For their use cases, they will use a LIDAR system anyway. Plus the slightly better looking image quality of the S5 vs. S5ii.

This DJI LIDAR system is only at the very beginning. As we know DJI with their drones etc., they are well known to bring fast updates and new producst to make it the LIDAR system even better. Therefore for this target group, the L-Mount system is now definitely they way to go for their gear choice in the future.

This DJI cooperation is a smart move and brings Panasonic many new customers. This will help us photographers too. We get also what we want to have, because there will be enough cash flow to invest in R&D for technology which is needed on both sides, video and photography. Faster AF for example, better AF tracking, faster read out speed (=higher fps for sport photography, birding, kids sport etc.), reduce overheating (= be able to offer smaller bodies) etc. pp.

Good time to be in the L-Mount system.
 
That would mean that there has to be soon a FW update for the S5 to be able to have this DJI LiDAR AF support too. If this is only meant as an replacement for the S5 in Europe. ;)

Additionally, I do not see the point to name it "D". Just send the new S5 production without a name change without the power plugin/charger to Europe. All this "D" marking for a charger?

Please ask both questions in that FB group and tell them that this question popped up in the L-Mount-Forum.com, so they see our URL :)
 
dirk said:
That would mean that there has to be soon a FW update for the S5 to be able to have this DJI LiDAR AF support too. If this is only meant as an replacement for the S5 in Europe. ;)

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Actually no. That means that they had to change the USB-C port in the camera to meet EU requirements. That also could mean the USB-C port of the original S5 also didn't meet the needed specifications for the DJI LIDAR system.

However, as I understand the new EU law about USB-C and EU laws about technical standards in genera, that law only applies to new models. Older models can still be sold, because they only have to fit the rules at the time of there first release. Only if the new law is for safety reasons, older models who don't fit the new law will be forbidden to sale.
 
dirk said:
That would mean that there has to be soon a FW update for the S5 to be able to have this DJI LiDAR AF support too. If this is only meant as an replacement for the S5 in Europe. ;)

Additionally, I do not see the point to name it "D". Just send the new S5 production without a name change without the power plugin/charger to Europe. All this "D" marking for a charger?

Please ask both questions in that FB group and tell them that this question popped up in the L-Mount-Forum.com, so they see our URL :)
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I can answer the second question: No they cannot.
The D version is without the charger, the original is with the charger. If they sell the S5D without the D you would not know which version you bought.

And there was just a new firmware released last week for the S5, including the fix for the 18-40, but not for the DJI Lidar. So I presume the original would not have the Lidar option.
Also I presume a lot more was changed, like I did understand the OLED viewfinder was replaced with a newer version, although with the same specs.
And also what Quentinquerelino stated, also the USB port might be changed to a newer version, although that is not sure.

I don't think the USB-C port was the reason for the newer model, because the could still sell the old model without breaking the rules. Older products don't need it.

HOWEVER: Older products are not allowed to have chargers anymore starting next year in the EU, so that is the main reason they HAD to change it.

I DID ask the Lidar question for you:

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Nevyn72 said:
Interesting titbit on FB:

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The EU directive requires they supply an option to buy the camera without the charger. They don’t have to withdraw the option that supplies the charger.

It says the device has to be able to charge via USB-C and support PD protocol if higher capacity charging is required.

The camera already supported charging via USB-C. As far as I can tell there was no hardware change required to be compliant. It would appear that they are removing the charger from the box and shipping it with new firmware that supports lidar.
 
Lsake said:

The EU directive requires they supply an option to buy the camera without the charger. They don’t have to withdraw the option that supplies the charger.

It says the device has to be able to charge via USB-C and support PD protocol if higher capacity charging is required.

The camera already supported charging via USB-C. As far as I can tell there was no hardware change required to be compliant. It would appear that they are removing the charger from the box and shipping it with new firmware that supports lidar.
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Yes, that's my interpretation of the directive too.
 
From a popular retailer. The USB cable and charger are no longer listed in the “what’s in the box?” Section. No mention of PD fast charging being introduced. So I assume the USB components are exactly the same.
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I don't care about cables, or power packs. Just give me the damn adaptor that I can pop the battery into, and then plug that into the myriad of USB-C chargers and cables I have laying around the house, or in my vehicles. Why are they making it so difficult, when it's so simple? I don't even want to charge the battery in camera, as then it's out of action until the battery is charged. Dumb.
It's. So. Simple. Camera body, adaptor, battery, done.

Edit -if they're worried about too many adaptors getting out into the wild, then simply just make them like bonus lenses. Claim it if you need it, or not.
 
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That’sa very good price, especially since the 18-40 alone is £500.
 
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