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News Lumix S5D
- Thread starter dirk
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Yes, I agree Dirk. It was the L-Rumors site that hyped this up as a big event. They clearly got it very wrong.
I see the S5-D as a really positive move from Panasonic!
I assume the reason for the new model is that Panasonic had to start using some new components in manufacture, the same as the G100 -> G100D. They could easily have decided to retire the original S5 at this point, but they decided to keep it on the market so I take as good news for L-mount. It keeps the original S5 as a current model and with new firmware and at a great price point.
And I would disagree with the comments that this camera is not for photographers. The S5 and now S5-D with very good CDAF and 14-bit color depth in all stills shooting modes makes it a good stills camera.
Lsake
Active Member
As far as I can tell there is no hardware difference to the original S5. same EVF, screen, processor, IBIS, sensor. The only new component I can see is the new badge they stick on it. I guess they really want to help DJI sell that Lidar module? Or is it a quiet admission that complaints about the S5II IQ are valid? Were there originally plans for the S5II to have a built in Lidar system instead of PDAF?
Markuswelder
Well-Known Member
Yeah, it's pretty damn easy with Panasonic, to see what sells and is making money, and what doesn't. If there's not much demand, it simply disappears. Despite what the few very vocal forum members would have you believe.
Just look at m4/3. The GH series just keeps on keeping on, the straight G series, the GXx, GXxx and GM have gone. The GXxxx soldiers on.
Obviously, the S5 works for them. We've had the original S5, mkII, and now D models. I think the mk1 makes an absolutely brilliant stills camera, I've not tried the 2, if my S5 died tomorrow I'd buy the 1 or D in a heartbeat. I don't shoot video, I've now got a choice if I want to spend up for excellent follow AF, or not. I also think it's a very good move.
Markuswelder
Well-Known Member
Or, that DFD is perfectly adequate for the majority of their actual users, if you want state of the art, they've provided a path for you to get there. Without costing everyone.
Let's face it, still plenty of complaining going on in regards to Panasonic PDAF
Lsake
Active Member
Look how confused Josh is by the announcement of the D badge and he’s an ambassador! They’re claiming it’s a “redesign” but it’s physically identical and so is the spec sheet. I wouldn’t be surprised if you could flash an S5 with S5D firmware once they make it available.
Markuswelder
Well-Known Member
I thinks it's just another G100 outrage. All the interwebz experts raged about how $h!t the camera was, DPreview voted it the worst camera of the year, yet Sean Robinson from Lumix USA? let it slip that it sold outrageously well for Panasonic. So it got a refresh. Much to the disgust of said interwebz experts. Sound familiar?
pdk42
Moderator
I guess Panasonic are trying to do with the S5 what Sony have done with earlier versions of the A7 - keep selling them at a reduced price. Sometimes it makes sense to use an updated component for supply reasons and it can make sense to get marketing benefit from it. The classic example is the A7RIV which was updated to become the A7RIV A. The change was to fit a higher res rear screen. It seems that the EVF upgrade on the S5D is sort of like that - except that from a user's point of view the difference seems to be marginal at best (same resolution, same magnification, same tech (OLED)). In fact I'm not sure what the difference is at all.
Then there's the DJI LIDAR AF. This seems a weird addition, but since I don't do video maybe I'm missing the point. But if it's a video feature worth having, why add it to the oldest and cheapest of the current line?
Overall, I think Panasonic would have been better advised to quietly make the change to the EVF and add the LIDAR stuff to the new S1. As it is, I think they're trying to fool us into thinking this is some worthwhile upgrade.
Then there's the DJI LIDAR AF. This seems a weird addition, but since I don't do video maybe I'm missing the point. But if it's a video feature worth having, why add it to the oldest and cheapest of the current line?
Overall, I think Panasonic would have been better advised to quietly make the change to the EVF and add the LIDAR stuff to the new S1. As it is, I think they're trying to fool us into thinking this is some worthwhile upgrade.
Nevyn72
LMF-Patron Gold
But from the manufacturer side it's important, big chanche that they cannot get the older component anymore, The company where I work for does the same, screens etc are often only buyable for 2 to 3 years and than they become EOL (End Of Life)
I understand the S5ii(X) can already do this since a year:
robin0112358
Well-Known Member
I too am befuddled. A more expensive entry-level camera with a feature very few people will understand or need. If this model simply replaced the S5 at the same price point, then that would be fair. After all for 99% of people, it is the same model.
I don't care about or follow rumours. But evaluating Panasonic on their own output is dismaying. A year ago I was happy to recommend the Lumix S line as an excellent hybrid system. This year? Not so much. The value of the S5 has been eroded by the lack of firmware updates. And the last two new bodies make no substantive improvements. These are bad indicators for the future.
I don't care about or follow rumours. But evaluating Panasonic on their own output is dismaying. A year ago I was happy to recommend the Lumix S line as an excellent hybrid system. This year? Not so much. The value of the S5 has been eroded by the lack of firmware updates. And the last two new bodies make no substantive improvements. These are bad indicators for the future.
pdk42
Moderator
I remain convinced that they will release new versions of the S1 next year, probably in Q1. I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt until then. In any case, although the S9 isn't for me, I can see that others find it very appealing. And their attention to smaller and lighter lenses is to be commended overall, even if it seems to me that they took the compromise too far with the 28-200.
But if they want to improve their market share and cement their position against Sony, Canon, and Nikon, then they desperately need an updated flagship model(s). I'm sure that's what will happen within the next six months.
Markuswelder
Well-Known Member
The big issue is, that forum posters don't seem to understand that they're in an echo chamber comprised mostly of grumpy old men, who are a tiny tiny subsection of the whole market, and don't have a clue what's actually selling, and profitable. And if they don't get what they want, are very very vocal with their displeasure.
With Panasonic, I think one can take a fairly educated guess as to which products do sell, as they remain in their lineup. And don't just get forgotten, and disappear. Way too early to tell with the S9, the S5 not so much. It's already had a refresh.
With Panasonic, I think one can take a fairly educated guess as to which products do sell, as they remain in their lineup. And don't just get forgotten, and disappear. Way too early to tell with the S9, the S5 not so much. It's already had a refresh.
GeorgeHudetz
Well-Known Member
Because it has the best VQ? At least, if you believe some folks, the S5II took a small step backwards there. So now you have can the best VQ & the best AF in an affordable package.
But I agree it's weird that you can't get (if I'm not mistaken) LIDAR with the S5II. Perhaps there will be an S5IID coming.
Nevyn72
LMF-Patron Gold
mmmhhhh....
I am not a videographer, therefore I can not really judge about this. But according to that video, LIDAR seems to be something which video people really want to have. I mean the results he is showing in the video - with and without - are very impressive.
He showed it with the S1H vs. S5ii. The S1H has the same AF as the S5. What I do not understand is, what is now the difference between a S5D and an S5 regarding LIDAR? I got the impression in this video, that the S5 could work already with LIDAR, same as the S1H. So, what is the added value of the S5D?
Can someone who is more firm with video explain this to me/us?
I am not a videographer, therefore I can not really judge about this. But according to that video, LIDAR seems to be something which video people really want to have. I mean the results he is showing in the video - with and without - are very impressive.
He showed it with the S1H vs. S5ii. The S1H has the same AF as the S5. What I do not understand is, what is now the difference between a S5D and an S5 regarding LIDAR? I got the impression in this video, that the S5 could work already with LIDAR, same as the S1H. So, what is the added value of the S5D?
Can someone who is more firm with video explain this to me/us?