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News New firmware just out for S1, S1R, S5II, S5IIx and four S-series lenses!
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Quentinquirelino
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At the release of the S5II, I had not felt that the upgrade from the S5 would be big enough for me. But I have to say that may have changed with the last couple of updates. However I'm still happy with the S5. But I'm starting to thinking.
Edit: To the user of the original S1 and S1R. Your cameras got some small updates as well.
Edit: To the user of the original S1 and S1R. Your cameras got some small updates as well.
Thank you. By that I checked and upgraded my S1R, as well as 16-35mm, lens and 24-105mm lens
CharlesH
LMF-Patron Gold
WOW, THAT IS A LOT OF UPGRADES.
I just upgraded the my S5II, S5IIx, GH7, 16-35mm, 24-105mm and 70-200mm. (Phew, six upgrades.)
This all went well, and I checked each camera with the new LUMIX Lab and they all came up right away and worked correctly. I'm now deleting LUMIX Sync.
Fortunately I had already used Hybrid Zoom with the S9 so this was easy to check out. I especially like the 70-200mm with hybrid zoom set to M. The stabilization is great, with good picture quality out to 280mm. I have normally used this lens with a 1.4x extender, but won't use this anymore.
Also Sony just had another big upgrade for the A1. That added to the major upgrade they had several months ago and it's like learning a new camera. This plus the three Lumix camera upgrades and I'll be back to camera school for a while.
I just upgraded the my S5II, S5IIx, GH7, 16-35mm, 24-105mm and 70-200mm. (Phew, six upgrades.)
This all went well, and I checked each camera with the new LUMIX Lab and they all came up right away and worked correctly. I'm now deleting LUMIX Sync.
Fortunately I had already used Hybrid Zoom with the S9 so this was easy to check out. I especially like the 70-200mm with hybrid zoom set to M. The stabilization is great, with good picture quality out to 280mm. I have normally used this lens with a 1.4x extender, but won't use this anymore.
Also Sony just had another big upgrade for the A1. That added to the major upgrade they had several months ago and it's like learning a new camera. This plus the three Lumix camera upgrades and I'll be back to camera school for a while.
I wish we would see in the industry a change more towards FW updates for older models (even as a payed addon) than releasing every 2 years a new camera.
Yes, that would be fine. But from my point of view the release cycles are already getting longer and longer (with some exceptions). 10-20 years ago some manufacturers updated some cameras every year, like Canon with EOS 300,350,400,450,500,550………
But today the quantities are much lower for production because of much lower sales. So really new models with really upgraded hardware will only released every 4-5 years in the future.
But what we see today (e.g OMDS) that they release a new camera with only minimum upgraded hardware, only for software. That is the topic to force new sales without big efforts for engineering, only software development…
For me Lumix forgot to do development improvements for the S1/S1R and S5, but what was done for the S5II for the last year was really good and I hope this will go on in the future! The hardware setup of the S5II looks good enough to stay for some more years…
pdk42
Moderator
I’d love to see Live Comp on the S1 models, and given that the OG S5 supports it, I’m sure there are no hardware restrictions. Likewise, adding the legacy lens data feature that’s on the S5ii would be nice to have in the older models - again, no hardware limitations to that. But it won’t happen.
pdk42
Moderator
Interestingly, I saw a post on a LUMIX FB group by one of the Panasonic UK experts (Matt). He was responding to someone asking why the S1 models didn’t get the upgrades that the newer models have had. He explicitly said that the old models have old and unsupported hardware.
Now, that is probably true, but it does mean he’s officially saying that the only high end models Panasonic have for sale are obsolete! I guess we all know that, but it’s interesting to see Panasonic saying it directly.
Now, that is probably true, but it does mean he’s officially saying that the only high end models Panasonic have for sale are obsolete! I guess we all know that, but it’s interesting to see Panasonic saying it directly.
I think the term "old and unsupported hardware" is only half of the truth. The S1/S1R was released in 2019 and development started years before. I expect these bodies are using a different technical environment internally. So of course it would be possible to add many different things, but it must be done with other programming language or something else. The new cameras are build on a different base architecture so new developments can not just integrated to the old cameras...
And sometimes this could be based on simple restrictions, like the old programmers are not in the company any more or the marketing has decided the additional effort is not worth the investment for some thousand users. If they had sold some 100k cameras the decision could be different....
The Rigger
LMF-Patron Gold
I couldn't agree more.
Train detection mode has arrived for the S5II - w00t!
I tried out the train detect mode today in my S5II. It works well - as soon as a train enters the AF area it acquires focus and tracks it.
It's a good question Charles and I will be interested to hear what others are doing.
I've not done much with LUTs to date. I have only used the feature in post in the LUMIX Lab app on photos taken with my S9. I haven't set up any LUTs in the camera.
I mostly do stills so in LUMIX Lab I just go to Download -> Stills and then browse through to find something that I like the look of. I check the base photo style the LUT was made for as I usually leave my camera on 'Standard' profile, and then just use the before/after slider to see what the LUT does to the sample photo. If I like it, I download it and then try it out on my own photos.
I am unlikely to use LUTs on train photos taken with my S5II as I usually want to edit the RW2 with local adjustments on a bigger screen to deal with distracting shadows and highlights. I use DxO PhotoLab for post processing, and will sometimes use DxO's Filmpack add-in to change the look of a photo.
For non-rail photography and particularly family snaps I am more likely to use my S9 and try some LUTs. I've done this sitting by the pool, i.e. taking photos of my 3-year old granddaughter jumping in, transfer to my iPhone and apply a LUT, then send the photo to family members via the message app.
I've not done much with LUTs to date. I have only used the feature in post in the LUMIX Lab app on photos taken with my S9. I haven't set up any LUTs in the camera.
I mostly do stills so in LUMIX Lab I just go to Download -> Stills and then browse through to find something that I like the look of. I check the base photo style the LUT was made for as I usually leave my camera on 'Standard' profile, and then just use the before/after slider to see what the LUT does to the sample photo. If I like it, I download it and then try it out on my own photos.
I am unlikely to use LUTs on train photos taken with my S5II as I usually want to edit the RW2 with local adjustments on a bigger screen to deal with distracting shadows and highlights. I use DxO PhotoLab for post processing, and will sometimes use DxO's Filmpack add-in to change the look of a photo.
For non-rail photography and particularly family snaps I am more likely to use my S9 and try some LUTs. I've done this sitting by the pool, i.e. taking photos of my 3-year old granddaughter jumping in, transfer to my iPhone and apply a LUT, then send the photo to family members via the message app.
Travis Butler
Well-Known Member
No hardware limitations that we know of.
I’d love to have the lens data feature on the S5, too. But I also know it requires nonvolatile storage to hold that data, and if the S5 doesn’t have available free space to store it, then it can’t happen.
Likewise, Live Comp requires both the temporary storage to build the composite image, and the processing power to do it. I did a quick search and wasn’t able to find any detailed specs on the processor in the S1 vs S5, so I don’t know if the processor changed. I have seen many examples where a newer model got a newer processor, even if it was lower in the model range, so it wouldn’t surprise me if that happened with the S5.
Programming can change a lot - but the hardware has to be there to support it.
There is surprisingly little in-depth info on camera processors and hardware that I know of. I'd expect them to be SoC and maybe each company is not wanting to divulge their tech.
I think I tried to research L2 chips before and found nothing, I've never seen break down videos either not that you can do much with SoC except look at it after digging for it.
I think I tried to research L2 chips before and found nothing, I've never seen break down videos either not that you can do much with SoC except look at it after digging for it.
RuleOfThirds
Well-Known Member
just a small trip to Paris is enoughLove to try it on a full speed TGV or bullet train
or Germany, which has the ICE