Markuswelder
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Hmmmmmm. If they're watching & listening to their top influencer, I'd guess Panasonic wouldn't be what they're promoting. More like CaNikon, or Sony.
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Travis Butler
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I use mostly manual lenses; so EVF is highly important. IBIS is not critical - I currently use a Sigma fp, which doesn’t have it - but it would be very nice. And PDAF isn’t even on the horizon.
Markuswelder
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I swore I'd never, ever, ever, buy another camera without an EVF, after my EOSM experience. I don't know where you live, but here in Australia, a screen is just about impossible to compose on an awful lot of the time. Bright sun and all that. Throw in an ultrawide lens where the background gets relatively smaller on screen, and at best, it's just a guess, hope and pray game. Never again
xaviergut
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Hi Markus, I understand what you mean. I live in Central Europe, and in the autumn and winter months we don't have much light.
I actually come from Spain, which is just opposite of Australia, and in Spain the light level is very similar to that of Australia, so I would see the EVF as more necessary if I lived in Spain (or Australia).
But of the 3 options, I already have a camera without IBIS and without PDAF, the Nikon Df, and I think it is sufficient in terms of its limitations. Today I think that in the mirrorless world IBIS, PDAF and weather sealing should be essential.
And so goes hopes of a couple of tasty pancakes
Travis Butler
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Same here. Waaaaaay tooo many situations I've been in where ambient light washed out the viewfinder.I swore I'd never, ever, ever, buy another camera without an EVF, after my EOSM experience. I don't know where you live, but here in Australia, a screen is just about impossible to compose on an awful lot of the time. Bright sun and all that. Throw in an ultrawide lens where the background gets relatively smaller on screen, and at best, it's just a guess, hope and pray game. Never again
One particular notorious one for me was an airshow that banned 'large' cameras; I compromised by going in with a Lumix GM1 and a Nikon Coolpix A (their APS-C equivalent of the GR). Was an exercise in frustration; way too many times, I had to resort to pointing the camera in the general direction of the airplane and hoping. I fought my way through crappy cell reception to order a GM5 on the spot. ^^;;
Travis Butler
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Well... yeah, not for me. But Panasonic does admittedly have a good track record with the LX100; I could see a camera like this being a real quality piece of gear, not just for 'hipsters'.
Travis Butler
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So, might be academic now, but here's that size comparison on midrange zooms I was talking about:
From left to right: Lumix S 20-60, Minolta MD 35-70/3.5 Macro, Konica Hexanon 35-70/3.5-4.5 Macro, and Olympus OM Zuiko 35-70/3.5-4.5.
- Apple - iPhone 13 mini
- iPhone 13 mini back dual wide camera 5.1mm f/1.6
- 5.1 mm
- ƒ/1.6
- 1/121 sec
- Pattern
- Auto exposure
- ISO 50
From left to right: Lumix S 20-60, Minolta MD 35-70/3.5 Macro, Konica Hexanon 35-70/3.5-4.5 Macro, and Olympus OM Zuiko 35-70/3.5-4.5.
A bit of an apples vs oranges comparison with an AF 20mm (versus 35mm) high IQ FF lens needing to be bigger. A legacy MF 20-60 would "suck" in comparison.
Legacy lenses aren't in the same game as Lumix L-mount, I'd ideas about using my Pentax legacy primes on the S5ii but after trying them... It's only for hipsters
The Samyang 14mm f2.8 is probably the only one I'll continue to adapt but that is a different breed.
There are currently three unknown Panasonic cameras registered:
https://www.l-rumors.com/panasonic-...ii-the-other-one-a-new-ff-compact-or-the-gh7/
And they're all dual band wireless, which to date has meant a mid-range or better camera. So while the next announcement might be a disappointment there are definitely more to come.
Now standard spec and a tiny bit of electronics, the max transfer I get from S5ii to my Wifi 6 phone is 5-6 MB/s, any slower than Wifi 5 (ac) would be a bad job.
Travis Butler
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Legacy lenses aren't in the same game as Lumix L-mount, I'd ideas about using my Pentax legacy primes on the S5ii but after trying them... It's only for hipsters
<points to the pics I posted earlier>
I'll ask you the same question I asked Markus... what do you think of the IQ of those pics? Second one was shot directly into the sun (in the clouds in the lower part of the tower), and while some branches are blown out, the flare seems well-controlled to me; high detail on the surrounding branches is preserved.
Quentinquirelino
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Well. I would be interested in such a camera. I don't know if I would buy it, but I would think about it. A small range finder camera, I would use with only a small prime most of the time anyway.
But I honestly doubt Panasonic will announce such a camera. And I don't see how that would be an "entry level" camera. The price probably would be higher than the S5II, even with the same sensor and much higher with a higher resolution sensor. Also the concept of a fixed lens large sensor camera isn't what I would buy or recommend for a entry to camera world. It's to limiting in many ways and you have to know, if you can work with it.
Markuswelder
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I shoot quite a bit with ultrawide, and there's definitely some sort of weird interaction between IBIS and ultrawide lenses, at very slow shutter speeds. So I bought myself a G100 to use with my Laowa 10mm, or PL 9mm, as a dedicated ultrawide point and shoot. The corners of the shots taken with the G100 are consistently better/sharper than with IBIS equipped bodies.
I've found the same quirk with my S5. Possibly even a bit worse, but I'm wondering if that's something to do with the combo of flash and slow shutter, where it became quite apparent. So I'm comfortable to leave the stabilisation to the lens, when it's really needed. Just as Panasonic used to do, before public pressure kind of forced them into including it. As for OIS and size penalties, the already mentioned Lumix 12-33mm puts that to bed.
Oh, and I liked the little G that much, I bought another one. No IBIS, no PDAF.
I'm actually really really disappointed that Panasonic bowed to public pressure again, and gave up on DFD. I actually deliberately bought the S5 over the MkII, as I think it works brilliantly. As one reviewer said, it's the best focusing DFD camera yet. And comparing it with my G9, I have to agree. They got so close with it, but didn't quite get there.
For stills, I think it's more than adequate, but as Panasonic have said, they're going for the hybrid market, where PDAF is already there, so I can understand why. But in saying that, I don't think a small travel oriented camera is where you're going to want killer, bleeding edge video tech. As I see it anyway.
CharlesH
LMF-Patron Gold
I'm surprised by that. It's the same viewfinder as my a6700, and that viewfinder is a good implantation that works well. What do you find wrong with the A7CR's viewfinder?
Richard Wong
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So Richard, are you testing anything new and interesting at the moment??
LOL The question i asked is purely from a conversation i had with a friend recently.
So many people are asking for a compact size camera, but they also don't want to give up any major feature, and don't want to pay premium price (look at GM1/GM5 for example)
So i was discussing with my friend, if we have to completely give up one of these major feature, what would it be.
For me, it's probably in this order that I'm willing to give up: EVF -> PDAF -> IBIS
But it's just such a hard choice
Richard Wong
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It maybe the same as a6700, i haven't got the chance to use one recently.
But for a camera of its price, with such high resolution sensor, the EVF just feels way too small, the display resolution is very low and just feels very uncomfortable to use. Looking through the EVF when taking photos, i feel like I'm taking photo using an entry level low resolution camera as i am looking at a small low res screen through a tunnel.
S5's EVF should have similar specs, but it just feels so much better to me for some reason.
Quentinquirelino
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I think the data sheet doesn't say everything about an EVF. The optics between the small display and the eye can make a difference.