Which lenses have really good 3d pop?

[Quentinquirelino]

I see a used Leica 50mm Summilux-SL f/1.4 ASPH with a dent in it from a UK photo retailer for only £1989

It's probably the best 50mm you can get for L-mount and no doubt this is probably at the top of the 3d pop list for now, a good review and more sample photos within:
https://www.thephoblographer.com/20...f1-4-summilux-the-best-l-mount-portrait-lens/

You'd need this for the 61MP S1R ii

The best 50mm on L-Mount is probably the Panasonic S Pro 50mm f1.4.

 

[dirk]

Leica 50mm Summilux-SL f/1.4 ASPH

An absolutely stunning 50mm which clearly does it, quite a few examples in this guys portraits.

The tip with the vps worked. Switching to US enabled me to look at the image at flickr.

I like the second one the most. I tried to get more information about that image. I am not good at photo editing, never liked it much. But it seems that this photographer is very good at it. At least for me it looks like that he has 3 or 4 group settings/filters created in 2012 which he applies to these images. Among them clarity etc.

I am sure the Leica lens is very good. But could it be also that the application of special photo editing masks led to this clarity?

That would not be something bad. It would rather motivate me to bite the bullet and learn more about photo editing. That would be cheaper than buying very expensive lenses.

But I do not see yet there the Foveon effect. This is neither bad per se. I already gave up that hope anyway.

Here the exif data of that second image:

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[dirk]

here you can see a good way to use masks in Lightroom as this photographer has probably done.

 

[Jonathan-Mac]

Although I don't have any proof, I suspect that qualities which add to a 3D effect in photos are:

- a sweet spot of colour and contrast
- a sweet spot of subject separation relative to field of view. By this I mean firstly that it isn't "the shallowest depth of field is best" but there needs to be some separation and also that when the subject isolation is just right it mimics how we really see the world, or maybe the subject isolation needs to be a little bit out of that zone to make it feel 3D but not so far out that it looks outright odd

Essentially there are several sweet spots that need to come together and how much of one or the other will depend on the scene, composition etc

 

[pdk42]

Although I don't have any proof, I suspect that qualities which add to a 3D effect in photos are:

- a sweet spot of colour and contrast
- a sweet spot of subject separation relative to field of view. By this I mean firstly that it isn't "the shallowest depth of field is best" but there needs to be some separation and also that when the subject isolation is just right it mimics how we really see the world, or maybe the subject isolation needs to be a little bit out of that zone to make it feel 3D but not so far out that it looks outright odd

Essentially there are several sweet spots that need to come together and how much of one or the other will depend on the scene, composition etc

I agree with that. Composition can also really help to give a feeling of 3d, especially positioning elements to increase the relative size of the key subject in the frame. I think there are many tricks the photographer can do, even before getting into post processing magic.

On that last point, with modern tools you can do a lot to improve subject isolation. Selective clarity on the subject is something I’ve used a little in the past, as is a very slight blur on the background. All this was possible without any fancy AI blur which is another step up in the reality of the effect.

 

[Oíche]

The thread was about lenses that possess this quality, not about trying to mimic it in post processing which I certainly don't want to be wasting time doing, but it was good to include it for discussion and learning.

I know the discussion has branches of why it possibly happens and why some think you can do it in PP with masks, clarity and blur. Whether you are convinced of this or not is up to you but as a former RAW only guy who now has a camera which has superior jpegs I now only want to PP when really necessary, hence I wanted to find out which lens has it.

I'll try and find £1989 down the back of the sofa for that used dented 50 Summilux f1.4 on Wex website

 

[Jonathan-Mac]

Personally I'm very skeptical over whether it's an effect that could be reproduced in PP as I believe that it's at least partially due to the qualities of the lens.

 

[pdk42]

The thread was about lenses that possess this quality, not about trying to mimic it in post processing which I certainly don't want to be wasting time doing, but it was good to include it for discussion and learning.

I know the discussion has branches of why it possibly happens and why some think you can do it in PP with masks, clarity and blur. Whether you are convinced of this or not is up to you but as a former RAW only guy who now has a camera which has superior jpegs I now only want to PP when really necessary, hence I wanted to find out which lens has it.

I'll try and find £1989 down the back of the sofa for that used dented 50 Summilux f1.4 on Wex website

If you find those creased up old £20 notes, then make sure you tell us all about the Summicron!