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Sigma fp/ fp L - would you buy it?

AlanC said:
And just to give some idea of how bad or otherwise the problem is when photographing moving people, I spotted a Flickr gallery of a tennis tournament shot with the fp L:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/t_konparu/albums/72177720308777717

There are some significantly distorted tennis rackets in some of the photos, but I didn't spot anything much in the players.
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Here is a good example

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SIGMA fp L
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Col said:
Hi. Where did you get the flip screen kit, and if you use the fp-L for video, how is the Phase detect focussing? Cheers, Colin
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This is the video for the flip screen:



@Baddog Do you have to assemble it like in that video?



I guess we would loose than any kind of warranty Z04 Menno
 
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dirk said:
Here are links to the YouTube channel of Dark Power laboratory.


They do not have a website. Only Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and Aliexpress:

Dark Power Laboratory Store - Amazing products with exclusive discounts on AliExpress

Discover the wide range of from AliExpress Top Seller Dark Power Laboratory Store.Enjoy ✓Free Shipping Worldwide! ✓Limited Time Sale ✓Easy Return.
www.aliexpress.com www.aliexpress.com

This is the video for the flip screen:



@Baddog Do you have to assemble it like in that video?



I guess we would loose than any kind of warranty Z04 Menno
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Possibly, but you can put the camera back to factory condition as the only thing that is changed is the addition of a small board and the electrical ribbon. My personal experience is that I’ve never had to send a camera back for warranty work. Maybe I’ve just been lucky
 
What I find difficult is that after these changes you do not have any sealing anymore. The way how he put this together is without sealing. Humidity can come through a lot easier than before.

The other thing at around minute 12:30 is that he puts the golden stuff more inwards to be able to have more space later for the screw. That could result in more heat within the body, because the air can not circulate as easy as before. Does your camera is getting warmer after you made these changes?

It seems that the seller is not selling this kit anymore at Aliexpress by the way.
 
Hi Dirk
I looked on line today and it still showed it was for sale?
the golden bit only needs to moved slightly to allow for the screw. I can’t see that as a problem. To date I’ve had no humidity issues but it’s early times. Heat is definitely not been a problem. I keep the camera on eco mode mostly to save battery life . I can see it might pose a problem for extensive video shooting, I don’t shoot video so can’t comment on that.
 
Here is an excellent review from our friend Richard Wong on the Sima Fp from a more photography oriented perspective, with 5 pros and 5 cons:

 
Well I picked up a used fp a couple of years ago and really like the colors I get out of the camera. Yes the no viewfinder is a problem for me as I use all my older M lenses so manual focus on the camera. After a month I broke down and picked up the LVF before they came out with the EVF, yes it kills the small camera look of the camera but once you use it you don't want to go back to a reg. viewfinder it feels like you are looking through a keyhole. It adds bulk but not weight, as I am not a sports shooter or wildlife the rolling shutter is not a issue for me. The b&w was shot with a 28mm f 1.4 wide open. The color was with a 75mm f 1.25 shot at f 2.0_SDI1242.jpeg
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agfa100 said:
Well I picked up a used fp a couple of years ago and really like the colors I get out of the camera. Yes the no viewfinder is a problem for me as I use all my older M lenses so manual focus on the camera. After a month I broke down and picked up the LVF before they came out with the EVF, yes it kills the small camera look of the camera but once you use it you don't want to go back to a reg. viewfinder it feels like you are looking through a keyhole. It adds bulk but not weight, as I am not a sports shooter or wildlife the rolling shutter is not a issue for me. The b&w was shot with a 28mm f 1.4 wide open. The color was with a 75mm f 1.25 shot at f 2.0View attachment 1081View attachment 1082
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These are good results.

I wouldn't mind a fp as a second camera, I've no doubt it's capable of great images.
 
And one more this was shot with a 28mm f 5.6 at f8.0 a great little walk around lens it's so small.... This was taken in the sculpture garden in the Va Museum of Fine Arts in Richmond
 

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Jonathan-Mac said:
These are good results.

I wouldn't mind a fp as a second camera, I've no doubt it's capable of great images.
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I think all of the pics I've been posting in the legacy lens thread have been with the fp. :)

It works really well as a platform for manual lenses, in a way that harmonizes with some of its limitations. If you're shooting with legacy manual lenses, you're typically not going for action shots, which avoids the rolling shutter issue; I've never seen it in any of my pics. (What I have seen is rare rainbow banding when shooting the output from a digital DLP projector; this caused some problems at a local museum that made heavy use of projectors.)

Manual lenses also fit very well with the minimalist control system on the fp. Aperture control on the lens, assign shutter speed (or EV shift) to the control dial, focus magnification to the AEL button, focus peak toggle to the video record button, and that's all the interface I need 99% of the time; it works really well for me.

When I wanted to experiment with full frame, I rented all of the cameras I was interested in. The Nikon Z5 I didn't get along with at all, and while I liked the Lumix S5, it didn't really grab my attention (although I did buy one later during one of the regular sales). The fp did grab my attention. I have a thing for small cameras, with the Lumix GM5 and Olympus Pen-F as old favorites of mine, and the fp follows well in that tradition.

Sadly, the clip-on EVF spoils the clean lines of the base camera; I agree with the poster upthread who wants to see Sigma add a Pen-F style EVF. But even with the added awkwardness, the fp+EVF is still smaller than other FF cameras, and not by a small margin. Pair it with a pancake prime like the Pentax-M 40/2.8, OM Zuiko 24/2.8, or one of the M-mount Voightlanders, and it slides easily into the top layer of a small bag, with another 3 primes or small zooms fitting into the lower layer (right now I have the Super-Takumar 50/1.4, OM Zuiko 35/2, and Minolta MD 35-70/3.5 Macro).
 
My interest in the Sigma fp would increase significantly, if Sigma would offer a 28/2.0 DG DN lens. That would be a great combination and a serious competition in my bag against my Ricoh GR3.
 
Micro Four Nerds Emily recently did a review of the fp L:



For those who don't watch videos, she likes the camera for its image quality, good high ISO performance, crop and colour modes, Cinema DNG and its small size. She identifies the downsides of no IBIS, electronic only shutter and a tendency for the autofocus to pulse in video mode. Overall she's very positive, in stark contrast to some of the other reviewers out there... ;)
 
I have absolutely no interest for these camera....

BUT I'm pretty sure to buy a Sigma camera in L Mount to complete my S5 II (or another if they need 10 more years Z04 Smileys26 ) as soon as they release a full frame foveon camera
 
I am in the market for a Sigma FP/L. Undecided wich model and I will wait till February for possible announcements of a successor. It is for sure the most interesting camera concept in the L-Mount.
 
If Sigma release an fp style camera with flip screen and no sensor blocking filter for IR and astrophotography, I‘m the first to order ;-)
For „normal“ photography I find the concept interesting, but I want a camera with a real finder, not something big attached to the side. Thiss viewfinder can be small and with lower resolution, but it should give me the chance to frame my pictures correctly when taling shots in sunlight…
 
That attached finder is the only downside, for me. Without I would not buy it and thats one of the reasons I am waiting for the CP+ in February, hoping an improved model will be announced.
 
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