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S9, S5, S5ii/x, S1Rii... what's next?

Nevyn72 said:
12k L-mount camera coming :oops:

First images of the new Pyxis 12K L-mount camera! - L mount system camera rumors and news

At the NAB show you can see this giant image of the upcoming 12k Pyxis L-mount camera! Blackmagic will live stream the event here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLw1UU3fxU4
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com
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BM already has a full frame 12k camera, the ursa cine 12k LF. It has a 98.8 Mpix Sensor which is capable of 80 fps in 16 bit. That would be a nice sensor for photography as well.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
BM already has a full frame 12k camera, the ursa cine 12k LF. It has a 98.8 Mpix Sensor which is capable of 80 fps in 16 bit. That would be a nice sensor for photography as well.
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Yes, but that camera is in a different price-bracket. Pyxis cameras however ... Might even be in the S1Rii range...
 
After the bad news regarding tariffs, I doubt that there will be a new camera announced in April.

I think they will wait and discus internally, whether that camera (no matter what it is) makes sense at all at the moment with these trade wars and if yes, at which price.
 
dirk said:
After the bad news regarding tariffs, I doubt that there will be a new camera announced in April.

I think they will wait and discus internally, whether that camera (no matter what it is) makes sense at all at the moment with these trade wars and if yes, at which price.
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I don't know if you overdoing the influence of the tariffs.

America as a hole accounts for about 25 % of all camera sales, so USA alone will be a little less. Europe and China alone are about the same as America as a hole. And the market share of US sales is declining anyhow, compared to rising China sales and also India getting more important.

Also every market is different and not every brand is equally successful in every market. Canon for example is very strong in America. About one third of Canon's camera sales accounting for America, compared to about one quarter of overall camera sales accounting for America.

So it depends how important the US are for Panasonic compared to the rest of the world. As far I know the most important markets for Panasonic cameras are Europe and China, where they perform over proportional.

Also not every sale in the US will be lost because of the tariffs.

But in the short run, I think announcements and releases could be delayed, because the manufacturers have to do the pricing right and as far I know many US importers have problems calculating the tariffs correctly. At the moment there is many uncertainty about it. But I don't think any plans new camera or lens will be cancelled because of the tariffs. In the long run, I could imagine that some manufacturer will make downgraded versions for the US to be able to offer lower prices or priorities other markets.

The hole topic "Trump tariffs" is a little complicated and the impact varies depending on branches and brands. Possible for some manufacturer it could make sense to shift the production or a part of it to the US for some it could be the complete opposite and the tariffs could be a reason to shift production from the US to another country. Some European car manufacturers, like BMW, already have production facilities in the US and they can adopt well. Others like Jaguar can't and they already stopped US exports.

As for cameras, a shift of production to the US seems very unrealistic and maybe would increase prices for other markets that are maybe more important in the long term. To much of the value chain is in Asia and the tradition and knowledge is gone with Kodak.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
But in the short run, I think announcements and releases could be delayed, because the manufacturers have to do the pricing right
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I did not say anything else. ;)
 
I don't think tariffs will impact camera sales or releases outside of the US. A manufacturing shift to the US would cost more than the tariffs and result in reciprocal tariffs exporting from there to everywhere else. In the US all camera prices will go up across all brands as none are made there, so sales will plummet but those who need a new camera will have no choice but to pay the extra cost, assuming anyone still imports them.

Maybe there will be a black market of camera gear snuck in over the border from Canada or Mexico.
 
...I don't know about you, but I don't see the slightest trace of the Sony FX3-like cinematic Lumix camera that was going to be announced at NAB 2025...
 
PJD said:
This.
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Unfortunately, if it's like other grey market resellers, there's an excellent chance you won't get service and support or even a warranty.
 
Travis Butler said:
Unfortunately, if it's like other grey market resellers, there's an excellent chance you won't get service and support or even a warranty.
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Yes, that's correct. This is true of most grey/smuggled gear. Depending on how the $ works out, many folks will go this route regardless. Personally I don't recommend it, but as always YMMV.
 
CharlesH said:
If it's a box camera I might be interested. Otherwise probably not.
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I understand FX3 style. That would be very interesting for me. Small enough to carry with me and not shouting "I'm filming in very high quality". Makes it easier in musea.

But hopefully at a much lower price than the FX3.
 
Nevyn72 said:
I understand FX3 style. That would be very interesting for me.
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I was thinking more like the Lumix BS1H, a box camera I could rig up as a very capable video camera. The FX3 style is not too interesting to me
 
Nevyn72 said:
This will be more my cup of tea I presume

The Panasonic L-mount cine camera will be announced on 13 May! - L mount system camera rumors and news

https://youtu.be/0f48vWLvPBk Finally I have some reliable info from trusted sources: On 13 May, Panasonic will introduce a new full-frame L-mount camera! What I know about this camera so far is: It's a cine-focussed L-mount Full Frame camera Superior performance compared to the current S5IIx...
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com
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I have the impression that attacking Lumix is free, so I'm already waiting for the criticism of this new camera type: rolling shutter, overheating, lack of EVF, etc. :oops:
 
xaviergut said:
I have the impression that attacking Lumix is free, so I'm already waiting for the criticism of this new camera type: rolling shutter, overheating, lack of EVF, etc. :oops:
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I've been thinking about that recently, trying to understand why it is that Panasonic attracts such a pile-on like no other brand.

My guess is that it's because they are a real contender. When they only did m4/3 they were probably never seen as a threat against the big three, Canon, Nikon and Sony. Now that Panasonic do full frame, they are a threat to the big three. Their market size may be small but any customers they take are a loss to the big three. And this perhaps is why Fujifilm doesn't get attacked because their main line is APS-C and the MF line isn't seen as a threat.
 
Nevyn72 said:
This will be more my cup of tea I presume

The Panasonic L-mount cine camera will be announced on 13 May! - L mount system camera rumors and news

https://youtu.be/0f48vWLvPBk Finally I have some reliable info from trusted sources: On 13 May, Panasonic will introduce a new full-frame L-mount camera! What I know about this camera so far is: It's a cine-focussed L-mount Full Frame camera Superior performance compared to the current S5IIx...
www.l-rumors.com www.l-rumors.com
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Coincedently, this exact 3 days before the China International Photograph & Electrical Imaging Machinery and Technology Fair 2025 in Beijing...

Shows what is the most important grow market is for Panasonic.
 
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