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News S1Rii - Read all about it!

xaviergut said:
In the S1Rii I am very interested in the 14 stops of dynamic range and its behavior in terms of noise at high ISO. Because for me this is much more important than the rolling shutter or the speed of the camera in general.

For me, as a Nikon user for years, an alternative to this camera is the Nikon Z8, but reading people's opinions on the Nikon forums in Spanish (nikonistas.com), I think I am going to prefer the S1Rii because of opinions like this one (from Setnakht) about the Z8 that I copy and paste translated:

"A little down with first impressions:

Hello,
After completing my first two basketball games with the z8 combined with the 24-70 2.8 z and the 70-200 2.8 z, the truth is that I have mixed feelings. I come from a lumix s5 which I sold before having the z8 (before I had the z7ii, d4, d800, d810, d700, d3s...) and I was badly surprised by the noise in the photos. Starting from the basis that the matches were on fields with a dire light of course and that has a lot to do with it. The first match I shot at ISO 3200 2.8 1/1250 and the second at ISO 4000 2.8 1/1000. It is true that in this second match, despite seeing the exposure meter it told me that they were underexposed, I thought that when I raised the exposure the Lightroom would not be serious but I have already seen that no, that a lot of noise comes out. (...)

It is clear that for those ISOs the z6iii would be better for me but I also do birds and surfing and the 45mpx and the cropping is that for me it is everything. I will have to sacrifice one thing for another. Of course, for the next one I will use more ISO, for fear of not going above ISO 4000, the truth is that I have found a horrible noise when lifting".

I have seen many opinions like this on that forum. Here another one (from Longimanus777) in the same thread:


"I had the same feeling when purchasing the Z8, I wrote about it at the time when giving my first impressions in the general forum of the Z8, it came from the Z6II and it was and continues to be for me, traumatic in terms of noise.

There is no solution, this camera generates a lot of noise, in my opinion (I cannot compare because I have not had them simultaneously) much more than the D850.
The only thing I do is that even though I am at low ISO, I give the lightroom AI noise reduction and in the field I usually underexpose a little before overexposing.

I already said it, I wouldn't buy it again, if I hadn't rushed it, I would have the Z6III now.
Otherwise it is a very good camera, but the ISO issue is something that I usually take very high when photographing mammals".


These are opinions from Nikon users, not Sony, Canon or Fuji fanboys trying to bash Nikon.
I'm going to wait for opinions like these from users of the S1Rii to decide if I buy it, but I'm in no hurry for now. I certainly don't mind if the S1Rii has not a stacked sensor. For me is more important the DR and its behavior in low light.
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Thanks for posting that.

I downloaded some DPR test raws from the Z8 & Z6III raws, as well as the S5, and yes, the Z8 has more noise than the 24 MP sensors do. And yes, when you push a ISO 4000 exposure by two stops you get even more noise. But I didn't see anything unexpected or grotesque from the Z8.

If you were to create a DR/detail/distortion spider chart of these various sensors, they all would have different coordinates on the three axis. The key is, of course, picking the one that is right for you. Or, in my case, deciding if it's worth replacing all my lenses to get a different set of tradeoffs. But, I'm still waiting to see what the tradeoffs are. Distortions due to electronic shutters are a little harder to get your head around.

So, like you say, sometimes it makes sense to wait & see what others find before making a final decision.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Thanks for posting that.

I downloaded some DPR test raws from the Z8 & Z6III raws, as well as the S5, and yes, the Z8 has more noise than the 24 MP sensors do. And yes, when you push a ISO 4000 exposure by two stops you get even more noise.
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Very interesting, George, that comparison.

GeorgeHudetz said:
But I didn't see anything unexpected or grotesque from the Z8.
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I imagine that the comparison between the Nikon Z6iii and the Z8 at the same resolution would show similar results in terms of ISO, right?

GeorgeHudetz said:
If you were to create a DR/detail/distortion spider chart of these various sensors, they all would have different coordinates on the three axis. The key is, of course, picking the one that is right for you. Or, in my case, deciding if it's worth replacing all my lenses to get a different set of tradeoffs. But, I'm still waiting to see what the tradeoffs are. Distortions due to electronic shutters are a little harder to get your head around.

So, like you say, sometimes it makes sense to wait & see what others find before making a final decision.
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Yes, I want a high resolution camera, 45 mpx or more. I guess the decisión for me is between a very fast stacked sensor or a good DR and low light performance sensor. In my case I don't photograph sports or animals in movement... Of course there are other things to consider, for example the noise Reduction editing software today is unbelievable. But regarding Lumix I find the hand held high resolution option very important, the time lapse implementación, the IBIS and all the video features of the Lumix cameras in general. Besides that I have way more lenses for the L-Mount...
 
xaviergut said:
Very interesting, George, that comparison.


I imagine that the comparison between the Nikon Z6iii and the Z8 at the same resolution would show similar results in terms of ISO, right?
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At 100%, the Z8 is certainly grainer than the Z6III for equivalent ISOs (4000 Z8 = 6400 Z6III). But it's not huge. I suspect that if you did the old down-sample trick, they would be quite close.

xaviergut said:
Yes, I want a high resolution camera, 45 mpx or more. I guess the decisión for me is between a very fast stacked sensor or a good DR and low light performance sensor. In my case I don't photograph sports or animals in movement... Of course there are other things to consider, for example the noise Reduction editing software today is unbelievable. But regarding Lumix I find the hand held high resolution option very important, the time lapse implementación, the IBIS and all the video features of the Lumix cameras in general. Besides that I have way more lenses for the L-Mount...
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Yeah, sounds like the S1RII is the right choice for you. It's an amazing stills camera. Probably the right choice for me too, as wildlife is third on my list.

And I love that the pre-cap in the S1RII is raw (Z8 is JPEG only). It may "only" be a 12-bit raw, but that's still much better than 8-bit JPEG. For things like lightning and fireworks capture I don't think the readout speed of the sensor will be an issue, but raw vs. JPEG will be.

And then there is Live View Composite.
 
Full explanation of the the S1Rii handling, including everything....



Another hour plus video. This time no tests, but actually more like a manual how to use it
 
Nevyn72 said:
Full explanation of the the S1Rii handling, including everything....



Another hour plus video. This time no tests, but actually more like a manual how to use it
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He did also did a review video - I don’t think it’s been posted, which has a few tests:



I hadn’t seen this follow-up, so thanks!
 
Richard Wong said:
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed it!
And to tell you the truth, my original review would be close to 2h 15 minutes. But I cut away/reduce the length of a few chapters that I feel is less important to keep the review "short".
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So, there’s basically an unreleased director’s cut!

I really enjoyed the review - and particularly appreciated the testing with the 28-200mm as I wondered what the performance would be for that lens. The point about the 65:24 format was also good to hear, as it’s one I especially like!
 
CharlesH said:
I haven't watched it yet. Does he go through how to use "Lumix Flow"?
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I haven’t watched the second video yet but in his review, one of the sections looks at the app. It’s only two or three minutes, so not in-depth but thought it was a decent overview of what it looks like.
 
Mister Sloane said:
He did also did a review video - I don’t think it’s been posted, which has a few tests:

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mmmmhhhhh....

In that video he talks about overheating at 8k and 4k video after a certain while.

PDAF seems to fall back to DFD in 4k 120p video, not in the other video recording modes.

@Richard Wong

I would be interested to know, how the viewfinder refresh rate and resolution changes, if you half press the shutter and/or focus. Especially at AFC and tracking for sports.

I heard from Somy A7RV users, that the EVF of the Sony drops significantly in resolution when half pressing the shutter.
 
CharlesH said:
I haven't watched it yet. Does he go through how to use "Lumix Flow"?
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I haven seen the whole video yet, but I don't think so...

These chapters does the video have:
00:00:00 - LUMIX S1RII Beginners Guide & Tutorial
00:00:39 - Unboxing
00:01:30 - Camera Body Overview
00:02:25 - Media Card Door
00:02:55 - Ports (inputs & outputs)
00:03:24 - Battery Door, Inserting a Battery, Battery Grip Terminals
00:04:00 - Battery Grip Terminal
00:04:20 - Tripod Mounting
00:04:36 - Top Photo Mode/Dial Overview
00:05:01 - 3 Mode Photo, Video, S&Q Dial
00:05:19 - Power on/off, Boot-up Time
00:05:44 - Command Dial
00:06:29 - Shutter, Front Wheel, and Rear Thumb Wheel
00:07:01 - AF Button and 3-way Focus Lever
00:07:27 - Autofocus Mode Button
00:08:09 - Play Button, Lock Lever
00:08:36 - Electronic Viewfinder (LVF/EVF) and Diopter
00:09:02 - Fully Articulating Touchscreen
00:10:03 - Hot Shoe & Active Cooling
00:10:29 - How to Attach a Lens / Removing Lens Cap
00:11:09 - Menu Navigation Dials and Controls Basics
00:12:21 - Photo Style / Picture Profiles & Customization
00:13:59 - Metering Mode
00:14:54 - ISO Sensitivity Range (video)
00:15:20 - Shutter Speed Limiter
00:15:35 - Shutter Angle
00:16:07 - i.Dynamic Range Explained
00:16:33 - Recording File Format Menu - MP4
00:17:35 - MOV Menu
00:19:14 - Apple ProRes & ProRes RAW
00:20:37 - Filtering Video Modes in the Menu
00:21:32 - Dynamic Range Expansion
00:22:30 - Proxy & Time Code
00:23:30 - Q Button / Quick Menu
00:24:56 - White Balance Button / Setting White Balance
00:26:24 - Video Autofocus Overview
00:29:07 - Car Tracking Example
00:30:01 - Tap to Focus, Best Modes without Tracking
00:30:34 - Autofocus Speed and Sensitivity AF Custom Settings(Video)
00:31:20 - Focus Limiter
00:31:52 - Focus Peaking
00:32:47 - Audio Options and On Screen Displays
00:33:40 - Display Menu Audio Options (Quick Access)a
00:34:31 - More Audio Settings
00:35:43 - IBIS / Image Stabilizer
00:36:47 - Boost I.S & Mapping Custom Function Buttons
00:37:54 - Hybrid Zoom for Zoom Lenses
00:38:56 - Crop Zoom for Prime Lenses
00:40:22 - Live Cropping
00:41:02 - Real-Time LUT / LUT Library
00:41:21 - ISO Increments
00:41:50 - Manual Focus Assist (MF Assist)
00:42:21 - Customize the Q Menu
00:43:16 - Lock Lever Settings
00:43:38 - Constant Preview
00:43:55 - Night Mode
00:44:27 - Luminance Spot Meter and Metering a Scene
00:45:13 - Log View Assist & Anamorphic Desqueeze Display
00:45:56 - Safety Zone Marker
00:46:17 - Frame Marker
00:47:00 - Zebra Pattern & False Colour
00:48:03 - Waveform & Vectorscope
00:48:31 - Mapping the Waveform & Vectorscope to a Custom Button
00:49:43 - Red Record Framing & Blue Streaming Framing Indicators
00:50:13 - HDMI settings (Clean Feed/Mirror etc)
00:50:58 - Fan Modes / Active Cooling
00:51:43 - Tally Lamp Settings
00:52:04 - Lens Focus Resume (with Lumix lenses)
00:52:39 - Focus Ring Control
00:53:07 - Formatting an SD or CFExpress Card
00:53:26 - Card Backup Modes
00:54:10 - USB-SSD ON (Recording to USB-C SSD)
00:54:27 - Thermal Management (Standard/High)
00:55:00 - EVF & Screen Settings
00:55:49 - Headphone & Speaker Playback Volume
00:56:12 - Bluetooth & LUMIX Lab App Connection Guide
00:57:45 - Selecting Real-Time LUT
00:58:20 - Storing a Custom Preset C1-C5
00:59:28 - Save/Restore Feature
00:59:57 - Factory Reset Settings
01:00:16 - Time Zone, Clock, Frequency Settings (PAL/NTSC/24P)
01:00:42 - Pixel Refresh
01:01:09 - Language & Firmware Options
01:01:31 - Custom User Menu
01:02:03 - PHOTO Section
01:02:35 - Photo Aspect Ratio & Picture Quality
01:02:54 - Picture Size
01:03:09 - Handheld High-Res Mode
01:03:35 - Minimum Shutter Speed
01:03:49 - Photo MF/AF settings Menu
01:04:24 - Crop Zoom for Photography
01:05:27 - Burst Photography Settings (pre-burst)
01:06:39 - Pinpoint Photography Autofocus
01:07:40 - Q Menu & Adding Custom Filters
01:08:26 - Video/Photos Menus The Same (Sort of)
01:08:49 - S&Q Modes (Slow/Quick Motion)
01:09:48 - S&Q PDAF Limitations
01:10:55 - Wrap Up and Thank You
 
Another review what I liked. No theoretical BS, just showing what the camera can do:

 
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