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[GeorgeHudetz]

In the S1Rii I am very interested in the 14 stops of dynamic range and its behavior in terms of noise at high ISO. Because for me this is much more important than the rolling shutter or the speed of the camera in general.

For me, as a Nikon user for years, an alternative to this camera is the Nikon Z8, but reading people's opinions on the Nikon forums in Spanish (nikonistas.com), I think I am going to prefer the S1Rii because of opinions like this one (from Setnakht) about the Z8 that I copy and paste translated:

"A little down with first impressions:

Hello,
After completing my first two basketball games with the z8 combined with the 24-70 2.8 z and the 70-200 2.8 z, the truth is that I have mixed feelings. I come from a lumix s5 which I sold before having the z8 (before I had the z7ii, d4, d800, d810, d700, d3s...) and I was badly surprised by the noise in the photos. Starting from the basis that the matches were on fields with a dire light of course and that has a lot to do with it. The first match I shot at ISO 3200 2.8 1/1250 and the second at ISO 4000 2.8 1/1000. It is true that in this second match, despite seeing the exposure meter it told me that they were underexposed, I thought that when I raised the exposure the Lightroom would not be serious but I have already seen that no, that a lot of noise comes out. (...)

It is clear that for those ISOs the z6iii would be better for me but I also do birds and surfing and the 45mpx and the cropping is that for me it is everything. I will have to sacrifice one thing for another. Of course, for the next one I will use more ISO, for fear of not going above ISO 4000, the truth is that I have found a horrible noise when lifting".

I have seen many opinions like this on that forum. Here another one (from Longimanus777) in the same thread:


"I had the same feeling when purchasing the Z8, I wrote about it at the time when giving my first impressions in the general forum of the Z8, it came from the Z6II and it was and continues to be for me, traumatic in terms of noise.

There is no solution, this camera generates a lot of noise, in my opinion (I cannot compare because I have not had them simultaneously) much more than the D850.
The only thing I do is that even though I am at low ISO, I give the lightroom AI noise reduction and in the field I usually underexpose a little before overexposing.

I already said it, I wouldn't buy it again, if I hadn't rushed it, I would have the Z6III now.
Otherwise it is a very good camera, but the ISO issue is something that I usually take very high when photographing mammals".


These are opinions from Nikon users, not Sony, Canon or Fuji fanboys trying to bash Nikon.
I'm going to wait for opinions like these from users of the S1Rii to decide if I buy it, but I'm in no hurry for now. I certainly don't mind if the S1Rii has not a stacked sensor. For me is more important the DR and its behavior in low light.

Thanks for posting that.

I downloaded some DPR test raws from the Z8 & Z6III raws, as well as the S5, and yes, the Z8 has more noise than the 24 MP sensors do. And yes, when you push a ISO 4000 exposure by two stops you get even more noise. But I didn't see anything unexpected or grotesque from the Z8.

If you were to create a DR/detail/distortion spider chart of these various sensors, they all would have different coordinates on the three axis. The key is, of course, picking the one that is right for you. Or, in my case, deciding if it's worth replacing all my lenses to get a different set of tradeoffs. But, I'm still waiting to see what the tradeoffs are. Distortions due to electronic shutters are a little harder to get your head around.

So, like you say, sometimes it makes sense to wait & see what others find before making a final decision.

 

[xaviergut]

Thanks for posting that.

I downloaded some DPR test raws from the Z8 & Z6III raws, as well as the S5, and yes, the Z8 has more noise than the 24 MP sensors do. And yes, when you push a ISO 4000 exposure by two stops you get even more noise.

Very interesting, George, that comparison.

But I didn't see anything unexpected or grotesque from the Z8.

I imagine that the comparison between the Nikon Z6iii and the Z8 at the same resolution would show similar results in terms of ISO, right?

If you were to create a DR/detail/distortion spider chart of these various sensors, they all would have different coordinates on the three axis. The key is, of course, picking the one that is right for you. Or, in my case, deciding if it's worth replacing all my lenses to get a different set of tradeoffs. But, I'm still waiting to see what the tradeoffs are. Distortions due to electronic shutters are a little harder to get your head around.

So, like you say, sometimes it makes sense to wait & see what others find before making a final decision.

Yes, I want a high resolution camera, 45 mpx or more. I guess the decisión for me is between a very fast stacked sensor or a good DR and low light performance sensor. In my case I don't photograph sports or animals in movement... Of course there are other things to consider, for example the noise Reduction editing software today is unbelievable. But regarding Lumix I find the hand held high resolution option very important, the time lapse implementación, the IBIS and all the video features of the Lumix cameras in general. Besides that I have way more lenses for the L-Mount...