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Lumix S1Rii autofocus performance

dirk

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I came across this article at dpreview about the autofocus of the Lumix S1Rii


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The Panasonic S1RII features a revised version of the phase-detection AF system introduced with the S5II cameras. It can detect and track more subjects than the S5II supported at launch, and Panasonic promises it's both quicker to find focus and more tenacious in terms of tracking.

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There's a twist, though: the S1RII can either be set to use its focus tracking system or it can be set to track a recognized subject but, unlike most modern cameras, these are separate functions. The upshot is that if you want to focus on a non-recognized subject for one shot, or the camera fails to find the subject it's supposed to recognize, you'll need to disengage the subject tracking: the S1RII will not fall back to its generic tracking system.

This is disappointing as the S5II has now gained the ability to detect all the same subjects as the S1RII, but its subject recognition is built on top of the generic tracking system, so the camera will fall back to tracking AF, making it more flexible.

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Our experiences with the S1RII were distinctly mixed: when the AF system works, it can be very good, but overall, we found it to be appreciably less reliable than we've come to expect from the likes of Canon, Nikon and Sony cameras.

In our standard tracking test we found the S1RII had a tricky time of following the subject – it lost track of the subject on half of the runs we performed. The camera would typically lose the subject as the rate of approach changed as the target turns a corner.

Human detection did a better job but could still be prone to losing the subject mid-run (it did so in one of the four runs we conducted). This is consistent with our other usage of the camera: it can be very sticky once it's found a subject, but it doesn't always successfully find subjects, and it can lose track of them as you're shooting. The camera also appears to have struggled to judge subject distance consistently, resulting in some softness when the subject's approach speed varies.

Perhaps the most concerning behavior, though, was one we've seen in other recent Panasonic cameras, where tracking AF will fail to find something to focus on at all and will simply present a red flashing box and make no further attempt to focus. This is offputting enough to undermine our faith in the reliability of the camera, probably out of proportion to how often it occurs. Just knowing that the camera will sometimes fail to focus and make you wait a few moments is an unpleasant thought to have lingering in the back of your mind and not something we're used to encountering on a modern camera.



That does not sound good for action shots. Did anybody tried this with his S1Rii?
 
There's a twist, though: the S1RII can either be set to use its focus tracking system or it can be set to track a recognized subject but, unlike most modern cameras, these are separate functions. The upshot is that if you want to focus on a non-recognized subject for one shot, or the camera fails to find the subject it's supposed to recognize, you'll need to disengage the subject tracking: the S1RII will not fall back to its generic tracking system.

This is disappointing as the S5II has now gained the ability to detect all the same subjects as the S1RII, but its subject recognition is built on top of the generic tracking system, so the camera will fall back to tracking AF, making it more flexible.
I think this part is nonsense. The generic tracking has always been a part of Lumix cameras and it's completely separate from the defined subject detection tracking. The S5II is the same as far as I can tell.

That reviewer at DPR is new and not very experienced with cameras. He gets it wrong a lot of the time.
 
I think this part is nonsense.

First, there is some truth here. If you are in the tracking mode with the S1RM2 and you turn on Subject Detection, it will ONLY detect and track the selected subject types. (Unlike previous Lumix cameras.) But it detects and tracks the subject types like glue. I also have a state-of-the art Sony camera and if it is in both tracking and subject detection it can track non-subjects if no subjects are in view (like previous Lumix cameras).

The writer of that article has an unusual focusing mode where he combines tracking and subject detection and he wanted to track a cake and then have the focus jump to people when they came into the view. The S1RM2 won't do this, it won't track a cake with human detection on. This would work with my Sony; a distinction is that you hold the shutter button half down while tracking, and you would need to lift off the shutter button when there are people, let the camera detect a person, and then hold the shutter button half down to track the person. The S1RM2 only tracks the selected type of subjects. You wouldn't track the cake, you would get people into view, press the shutter button half down, and track a human. The S1RM2 is really solid in this mode.

The kindest thing I can say about the reviewer is he didn't learn how to operate the camera.
 
I read the comments section, things are getting utterly ridiculous. People complaining that they aren't getting optimum results using AFC when shooting LANDSCAPES. Yes, LANSCAPES. Because they can with a Sony. Really? Then go and buy a Sony right now, because you're going to be horribly disappointed that, shock, horror, that Panasonic camera you're holding, isn't a replica Sony.
We've seemingly reached peak incompetence, when you have to use AFC to shoot a landscape. I mean, when was the last time a landscape jumped up and ran away at 60 km/hr?
Or you're not bright enough how to sit down and figure out how your camera actually functions in certain modes. And then adjust your technique accordingly.
Are cameras today supposed to be able to actually read your mind, and not only that be able to actually predict your thinking in advance? Really?
 
PS -for the record, I have no issues accepting that perhaps the S1R2 AF is not quite up to maybe Canon and Sony standard, in certain scenarios. None at all. It's also about half the price in my country, and it WILL get better with some firmware updates. Not that I'm really interested in buying one by the way.
From what I can tell (I haven't used one, nor an I likely to) it just does things differently. And forumtographers today seem to not be able to cope, with different.
The amount of cr@p that was talked about the S series DFD is testament to that. If you read any of DPreviews writings, the S5 was a step back into the stone Age. Worse than my G9. But actually buying and owning/using both reveals the complete opposite. It's not a Sony. Or Canon. And I'm thankful, and at ease with that.
 
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