Lumix 26mm

[xaviergut]

I had a GH6 for a while but actually never appreciated it much.

How good was the AF in the GH6? Like 90% accuracy? Or more like the G9II, about 99% accuracy?

By the way, I wonder what will the GH7 offer in terms of videos specs that the G9II doesn't have...

 

[Travis Butler]

I loved the Lumix 14/2.5 !! Had so much character! But that is a nice 28mm, like my XF18/1.4 for Fuji, or my Ricoh GR3 Maybe my love for the 28mm prime started with the 14/2.5,I actually also used it with the converter to make it a 21mm, which worked quite well.

I admit, while I didn’t hate the 14/2.5, I always preferred the 15/1.7; it has that luscious tonality I love.

 

[CharlesH]

How good was the AF in the GH6? Like 90% accuracy? Or more like the G9II, about 99% accuracy?

By the way, I wonder what will the GH7 offer in terms of videos specs that the G9II doesn't have...

The focus on he GH6 is miles apart from the G9II. The GH6 has CFexpress Type B which is a big differentiator from the 9II. On the G9 you need to use USB-C out to a SSD for the higher bit rate codecs. The GH6 was the first LUMIX m43 to use dual gain, and it was implemented poorly. With the G9II it is done perfectly and if there is a GH7 it should be okay. You may not know, the G9II has all of the video features of the S5IIx, including all the advanced codecs. It was promoted as a photography camera but is really an excellent video camera. The GH6 is bigger and heavier and may be more durable.

 

[Pete_W]

The focus on he GH6 is miles apart from the G9II. The GH6 has CFexpress Type B which is a big differentiator from the 9II. On the G9 you need to use USB-C out to a SSD for the higher bit rate codecs. The GH6 was the first LUMIX m43 to use dual gain, and it was implemented poorly. With the G9II it is done perfectly and if there is a GH7 it should be okay. You may not know, the G9II has all of the video features of the S5IIx, including all the advanced codecs. It was promoted as a photography camera but is really an excellent video camera. The GH6 is bigger and heavier and may be more durable.

And the GH6 had active cooling which the G9II does not, and it also had the versatile tilty/flippy LCD from the S1 range.

If the rumors are right and the GH7 is released this week, I am guessing it will push ahead with even more professional video features.

 

[Pete_W]

The Blue Mountains region is Pete’s country. I’ve been there a couple of times as a tourist, it is very nice. I love the drone shots in the video. I had a GH6 for a while but actually never appreciated it much. I like the G9II much better and would use that for this video.

Yes, a favourite place of mine, and my dad too. He's now 90 years old but was an avid bushwalker in his youth and hiked all over the blue mountains to some fairly remote parts. We recently found few photos of him on Flickr bushwalking in 1953.

My family took vacations there when I was a kid and I lived there for a few years when I was working for the NSW railways back in my early 20s. It's only a 2 hour drive (or train trip) from Sydney so I try to visit once or twice a year to enjoy the fresh air and scenery.

• Panasonic - DC-S5M2
• LUMIX S 14-28/F4-5.6
• 22.0 mm
• ƒ/8
• 1/800 sec
• Pattern
• Auto exposure
• ISO 320

 

[CharlesH]

If the rumors are right and the GH7 is released this week, I am guessing it will push ahead with even more professional video features.

I guess a thing that could get me a little excited is if it could record internal RAW video. Maybe BRAW. And an internal ND filter might get my attention. But I’m awfully happy with the S5IIx for video and the G9II for backup.

 

[RuleOfThirds]

I admit, while I didn’t hate the 14/2.5, I always preferred the 15/1.7; it has that luscious tonality I love.

Yes, when upgrading from G6 to G85 I sold the 14, but later got the 15 which even better and faster. Brilliant on the GX85…

 

[CharlesH]

The focus on he GH6 is miles apart from the G9II. The GH6 has CFexpress Type B which is a big differentiator from the 9II. On the G9 you need to use USB-C out to a SSD for the higher bit rate codecs. The GH6 was the first LUMIX m43 to use dual gain, and it was implemented poorly. With the G9II it is done perfectly and if there is a GH7 it should be okay. You may not know, the G9II has all of the video features of the S5IIx, including all the advanced codecs. It was promoted as a photography camera but is really an excellent video camera. The GH6 is bigger and heavier and may be more durable.

Quick comments about the GH7 announcement today. (I've been traveling today and had no time to take in the YouTubes, I've just read a few reviews). Panasonic has thrown everything but the kitchen sink into this product, keeping the features of the GH6, adding the features of the G9II, and a little from the S9. Plus they added internal ProRes RAW and 32 bit floating audio. I don't know of any video camera, mirrorless or not, that has specs and capability like this. Kudos to Panasonic for putting all that together, it may revive some of the video glory days of the GH5.

I guess a thing that could get me a little excited is if it could record internal RAW video. Maybe BRAW. And an internal ND filter might get my attention. But I’m awfully happy with the S5IIx for video and the G9II for backup.

About ProRes RAW, Panasonic must have come to some agreement with Red/Nikon and Apple. This is a big deal in the video world, and possibly portends the coming of broader use of internal RAW for mirrorless cameras. I commented I would like internal BRAW. But I actually have a lot more experience with ProResRAW and like to work with that as well, when I really want 12 bits. The problem, ProResRAW edits natively in Final Cut Pro where BRAW edits natively in DaVinci Resolve, which I prefer. The way I've come to use ProResRAW is to convert it to ProRes 4444 using Apple Compressor, and then edit this in DaVinci Resolve. You give up color balance adjustment in the editor this way, but other than that it is a very good solution.

Video cameras are often reviewed in more detail than photography cameras, and I'm looking forward to this in the coming weeks. And I'm looking forward to what Panasonic may do to replace the S1H (please let them make the package smaller). And for anything else GH7 related I'll move over to the micro four thirds forum.

 

[Nevyn72]

Quick comments about the GH7 announcement today. (I've been traveling today and had no time to take in the YouTubes, I've just read a few reviews). Panasonic has thrown everything but the kitchen sink into this product, keeping the features of the GH6, adding the features of the G9II, and a little from the S9. Plus they added internal ProRes RAW and 32 bit floating audio. I don't know of any video camera, mirrorless or not, that has specs and capability like this. Kudos to Panasonic for putting all that together, it may revive some of the video glory days of the GH5.

About ProRes RAW, Panasonic must have come to some agreement with Red/Nikon and Apple. This is a big deal in the video world, and possibly portends the coming of broader use of internal RAW for mirrorless cameras. I commented I would like internal BRAW. But I actually have a lot more experience with ProResRAW and like to work with that as well, when I really want 12 bits. The problem, ProResRAW edits natively in Final Cut Pro where BRAW edits natively in DaVinci Resolve, which I prefer. The way I've come to use ProResRAW is to convert it to ProRes 4444 using Apple Compressor, and then edit this in DaVinci Resolve. You give up color balance adjustment in the editor this way, but other than that it is a very good solution.

Video cameras are often reviewed in more detail than photography cameras, and I'm looking forward to this in the coming weeks. And I'm looking forward to what Panasonic may do to replace the S1H (please let them make the package smaller). And for anything else GH7 related I'll move over to the micro four thirds forum.

You can also get a license for Arri-Raw, what I understand has a quite good support in Davinci.
(Never used Arri-Raw so I don't know firsthand).

The question is ofcourse: what will the license cost, it has an additional fee.

 

[Nevyn72]

You can also get a license for Arri-Raw, what I understand has a quite good support in Davinci.
(Never used Arri-Raw so I don't know firsthand).

The question is ofcourse: what will the license cost, it has an additional fee.

Check this video :

 

[CharlesH]

Check this video :

Getting even further off topic, I liked the video "Making The Cookie Jar", but as I watched it, the current state of video and movie production here in Southern California kept coming to mind and I had difficulty focusing on Arri and on the GH7. The state is not good. First there was the screen writers strike last year, where the writers wanted protection from AI writing scripts and eliminating their jobs. This was one of the longest strikes in Hollywood history, and as that was finally being settled the Screen Actors Guild went on strike. Hollywood/Burbank was shut down a long time last year. And it has been very slow to start back up; many people still don't have employment and others are just part time and work from from job to job. Lots of people have been hurt badly from this. My wife, her good soul, has personally reached out and made sure people we know have food for their children. The center of entertainment in the US is still Hollywood, but when and whether it will fully recover isn't known.

 

[Markuswelder]

You can also get a license for Arri-Raw, what I understand has a quite good support in Davinci.
(Never used Arri-Raw so I don't know firsthand).

The question is ofcourse: what will the license cost, it has an additional fee.

I think it was the Lumix USA video where I saw it, but I recall $199 being stated as the asking price

 

[Nevyn72]

I think it was the Lumix USA video where I saw it, but I recall $199 being stated as the asking price

I also saw it later mentioned... But it is not Arri-Raw, only Arri-Log, and stil on 10-bit

 

[CharlesH]

The problem, ProResRAW edits natively in Final Cut Pro where BRAW edits natively in DaVinci Resolve, which I prefer. The way I've come to use ProResRAW is to convert it to ProRes 4444 using Apple Compressor, and then edit this in DaVinci Resolve. You give up color balance adjustment in the editor this way, but other than that it is a very good solution.

I got a little excited when I searched whether DaVinci Resolve can now edit ProRes RAW and saw a thing that said it could. When I looked into this further this evening, no Resolve can't edit ProRes RAW. But there is a converter that converts ProRes RAW files into cinemaDNG files, and Resolve can edit cinemaDNG as RAW with the benefits of RAW. This converter is available for Mac or Windows.

And I did not mention that Premier Pro can now edit ProRes RAW. I don't use Premiere PRO anymore so It's not useful to me, but if you do use it, Mac or Windows, this is a route to use ProRes RAW with the GH7.

 

[Nevyn72]

I got a little excited when I searched whether DaVinci Resolve can now edit ProRes RAW and saw a thing that said it could. When I looked into this further this evening, no Resolve can't edit ProRes RAW. But there is a converter that converts ProRes RAW files into cinemaDNG files, and Resolve can edit cinemaDNG as RAW with the benefits of RAW. This converter is available for Mac or Windows.

And I did not mention that Premier Pro can now edit ProRes RAW. I don't use Premiere PRO anymore so It's not useful to me, but if you do use it, Mac or Windows, this is a route to use ProRes RAW with the GH7.

Remember, the S5iiX didn't have BMD Raw over HDMI at the announcement, bit did have it at the final firmware at release... So I still have hopes that it will be at final release.

 

[Markuswelder]

Right. So I've had my 26mm for a few days now, starting to get a bit of a feel for it. And that feeling is good. Excellent actually, & growing every day. I'm really really liking it, a lot, to be honest.
Anyway, this is the last thing I ever expected to be using it for when I bought it, I chucked it in the bag today just to try out, & ended up just leaving it on the camera, & using it for the whole event. Because it was fun. Real good fun. Just walking closer or further away to get the desired framing, I've got Auto ISO & min shutter speed set, so it's all pretty basic really. As the old saying goes, chubby girls need loving too, & sometimes that loving is pretty damn good fun
I'll post a couple of shots here, & then link to some larger sized images. I'm not seeing anything I don't like, & lots that I do like. I think if people got over their pre-conceived ideas about the 26mm, and approached it with a more open mind/attitude, they might be a little bit surprised, & understand a bit what Panasonic was thinking when designing the lens. And f/8 is not slow. Especially on a modern, 36x24 sensor 24MP camera.

• Panasonic - DC-S5
• 26.0 mm
• ƒ/8
• 1/400 sec
• Pattern
• Auto exposure
• 0.7
• ISO 100

• Panasonic - DC-S5
• 26.0 mm
• ƒ/8
• 1/125 sec
• Pattern
• Auto exposure
• ISO 100

• Panasonic - DC-S5
• 26.0 mm
• ƒ/8
• 1/100 sec
• Pattern
• Auto exposure
• -0.7
• ISO 100

And a link to some larger sized images to give a bit better idea of the lens characteristics

Lumix S 26mm f8

Explore this photo album by Markus Welder on Flickr!

www.flickr.com

 

[Markuswelder]

So I'm not the only one then. Just stumbled across this. This dude gets it too Worth a watch

 

[Pete_W]

Right. So I've had my 26mm for a few days now, starting to get a bit of a feel for it. And that feeling is good. Excellent actually, & growing every day. I'm really really liking it, a lot, to be honest.
Anyway, this is the last thing I ever expected to be using it for when I bought it, I chucked it in the bag today just to try out, & ended up just leaving it on the camera, & using it for the whole event. Because it was fun. Real good fun. Just walking closer or further away to get the desired framing, I've got Auto ISO & min shutter speed set, so it's all pretty basic really. As the old saying goes, chubby girls need loving too, & sometimes that loving is pretty damn good fun
I'll post a couple of shots here, & then link to some larger sized images. I'm not seeing anything I don't like, & lots that I do like. I think if people got over their pre-conceived ideas about the 26mm, and approached it with a more open mind/attitude, they might be a little bit surprised, & understand a bit what Panasonic was thinking when designing the lens. And f/8 is not slow. Especially on a modern, 36x24 sensor 24MP camera.

And a link to some larger sized images to give a bit better idea of the lens characteristics

Lumix S 26mm f8

Explore this photo album by Markus Welder on Flickr!

www.flickr.com

I was thinking yesterday that we needed a dedicated thread for the Lumix 26mm f8 lens! Thanks for kicking it off.

I enjoyed myself yesterday wandering around with just that lens on the camera. Going out with a single focal length is fun, but I found even more fun using a MF lens.

Your shots look really great. Sharp, colourful and great subjects. I love that VW Kombi on the Flickr page, and the F100 too. What a pair of classics!

 

[Pete_W]

So I'm not the only one then. Just stumbled across this. This dude gets it too Worth a watch

I really like Josh Cameron's videos. A few of the recent ones about the S9 are really good too.

 

[PJD]

Yes, a favourite place of mine, and my dad too. He's now 90 years old but was an avid bushwalker in his youth and hiked all over the blue mountains to some fairly remote parts. We recently found few photos of him on Flickr bushwalking in 1953.

My family took vacations there when I was a kid and I lived there for a few years when I was working for the NSW railways back in my early 20s. It's only a 2 hour drive (or train trip) from Sydney so I try to visit once or twice a year to enjoy the fresh air and scenery.

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I'd love to see some of those 1953 photos if you're willing to share!

And, more of the Blue Mountains ...