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Leica SL3-S on January 16th?
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xaviergut
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It is a very beautiful camera. But I always thought that for video creation is way more practical to have 2 excellent midrange cameras like the S5iix than just 1, I mean for interviews, podcasts, etc. you need more than just 1 camera, right?
Actually this Leica is like the S5iix with a better evf, a tilt screen (!?) and Cfexpress card slot, but without full anamorphic recording feature.
For that price you can buy 2 Lumix S5iix...
www.cined.com
Actually this Leica is like the S5iix with a better evf, a tilt screen (!?) and Cfexpress card slot, but without full anamorphic recording feature.
For that price you can buy 2 Lumix S5iix...
Leica SL3-S Review - First Look | CineD
LEICA SL3-S Review - First Look. We took the new LEICA SL3-S for a spin and came back with a solid opinion. Read more here.
www.cined.com
Nevyn72
LMF-Patron Gold
And if I understand correctly, no recording to SSD, slower analog shutterspeed.It is a very beautiful camera. But I always thought that for video creation is way more practical to have 2 excellent midrange cameras like the S5iix than just 1, I mean for interviews, podcasts, etc. you need more than just 1 camera, right?
Actually this Leica is like the S5iix with a better evf, a tilt screen (!?) and Cfexpress card slot, but without full anamorphic recording feature.
For that price you can buy 2 Lumix S5iix...
Leica SL3-S Review - First Look | CineD
LEICA SL3-S Review - First Look. We took the new LEICA SL3-S for a spin and came back with a solid opinion. Read more here.
Quentinquirelino
Well-Known Member
According to the German Leica page, it can record directly to SSD.
What do you mean by "analog" shutter speed? The mechanical shutter of the SL3-S goes down to 1/8000, same as the S5IIx.
Nevyn72
LMF-Patron Gold
Sorry, I'm very unclear.... I should not do 10 things at the same time. 7 FPS, while the S5ii(X) can do 9 FPS. I understood CF Express instead of SSD, but I might be mistaken.
I was mistaken, SSD is possible:
Quentinquirelino
Well-Known Member
I understand. But the S5II(X) can only do AF-S at 9 fps (if that hasn't changed via update and only 7 fps with AF-C in mechanical shutter.
According to the German press text, it can do both. CF Express and SSD.
Nevyn72
LMF-Patron Gold
I got my data from Petapixel... But yes, I added it to the post before, Gordon Laing states it can use SSD's..
But for me, I'll still prefer the S5iiX.
He can't afford one.
RichardC
Member
Leica's target audience won't be perturbed by such inconveniences as prices. None of Leica's pricing ever made any sense to me - and I used to sell them. They make beautiful cameras.
Exactly, many people simply don't understand luxury brands including that clueless YouTuber.
You never hear Leica R.I.P rumours and they'll be around when everyone else has died.
I expect that is the reason why we have to wait for the S1RII…If the Leica SL3-s is almost 95% of a Lumix S5iix, then now is sure that the Lumix S1Rii is 95% of a Leica SL3, but cheaper
The body will be different to the SL3 and hopefully the mechanics of the display. I have no use for the Leica version, because I do a lot of portrait-format pictures where a simple tilt screen is no help at all. The mechanics of the S1R was not perfect, but ok.
But at the end the price of the S1RII will be the most important topic! My camera is great , costs 2400€ in 2020 and the only thing that could be better is the AF in strong backlight. For action I use the S5II.
If the new S1RII will be released over 3000€ (and that is my expectation), I will wait until it will drop below this line…
RichardC
Member
Let's hope soIf the Leica SL3-s is almost 95% of a Lumix S5iix, then now is sure that the Lumix S1Rii is 95% of a Leica SL3, but cheaper
Pete it's about time for you to print him out and stick him on your dart board.
I agree with you for not watching, it was a grumble video. There are the other usual suspects reviews without the moaning.
Gordon Laing showed a good 96MP HiRes example which we already have in S5ii but I noticed his Summilux 50mm f1.4 on SL3-S had slower AF tracking in video than say a S5ii/50 f1.8 or something. Assuming the AF speed is equal it must have been the lens although I wouldn't turn one into the lost property office if I found one
pdk42
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It’s funny, I’ve been looking at various reviews of Leica gear recently. Whilst there are some reviews by the big names in the photo gear world, the majority are by lesser known photographers - usually self-confessed Leica geeks, with many being working professionals.
One thing I noticed in these reviews is that comparisons to other brands are rare. If comparisons are made, it’s only against other Leica products (usually the previous model). And of course the overall opinion is always very positive. There’s definitely a sense that mentioning other brands is really a bit rude and unnecessary.
It seems to me that outside of this little club of Leica fans that Leica products (especially L Mount) are in general perceived as being uncompetitive from a price/feature point of view. The Leica apologetics ignore this and instead just wax lyrical about how great the gear is. And for most target use cases that’s probably a fair assessment. No one is going to use a Leica for BIF.
So the target market for this new camera will never see the S5ii as a true competitor. Appeals to features and prices are just irrelevant.
One thing I noticed in these reviews is that comparisons to other brands are rare. If comparisons are made, it’s only against other Leica products (usually the previous model). And of course the overall opinion is always very positive. There’s definitely a sense that mentioning other brands is really a bit rude and unnecessary.
It seems to me that outside of this little club of Leica fans that Leica products (especially L Mount) are in general perceived as being uncompetitive from a price/feature point of view. The Leica apologetics ignore this and instead just wax lyrical about how great the gear is. And for most target use cases that’s probably a fair assessment. No one is going to use a Leica for BIF.
So the target market for this new camera will never see the S5ii as a true competitor. Appeals to features and prices are just irrelevant.
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Yep, I probably should put him on a dart board! The dart board is gone though, it belonged to my son and he moved out last year.
I just think the moaning is so unnecessary because it's just his individual opinion about what's important and gives no consideration to context or how other people may decide to use a camera and what works for them. Who is really considering whether to buy a Lecia SL3-S vs a Nikon Z8? The reviews seem to be solely about what they need which I think is a bit narcissistic.
Ha ha! The prices for Leica gear here in Australia are off the planet so I doubt I'd ever buy it but I like the look of it! I will check out Gordon's review, he is generally fair and balanced.Gordon Laing showed a good 96MP HiRes example which we already have in S5ii but I noticed his Summilux 50mm f1.4 on SL3-S had slower AF tracking in video than say a S5ii/50 f1.8 or something. Assuming the AF speed is equal it must have been the lens although I wouldn't turn one into the lost property office if I found one
I have stopped watching a lot of the gear review videos now, preferring content about photography. There are some good channels out there that I am enjoying,
Yes, and that's the complaint that I have with these PetaPixel and DPR style reviews. They don't consider the context of a product, i.e. who it is designed for (target market) and how it is likely to be used by that target market. Instead, these reviewers seem to have an unwritten list of features and capabilities that they consider to be a baseline that must be met given the price of the camera, otherwise it is simply not worthy.
Absolutely nobody, as you rightly point out this is silly. It's like telling a Mercedes SL500 buyer to get a Subaru Imprezza WRX instead.
Rolex vs Apple Smart watch etc.
