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News Leica Q3 with 43/2.0 lens
- Thread starter dirk
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pdk42
Moderator
Can’t see me ever paying this much for a camera, but they sure do ooze quality.
I think if I wanted this sort of rangefinder-style camera (i.e. with an EVF
), I’d be very tempted by a Pen-F or LUMIX GX8 with one of the several excellent primes in the m43 catalogue - the PL 15/1.7 being top choice. If FF was preferred, the Sony A7C with one of the Sigmas you mention would be a great choice too.
I think if I wanted this sort of rangefinder-style camera (i.e. with an EVF
), I’d be very tempted by a Pen-F or LUMIX GX8 with one of the several excellent primes in the m43 catalogue - the PL 15/1.7 being top choice. If FF was preferred, the Sony A7C with one of the Sigmas you mention would be a great choice too.
I think it is difficult to compare. As you know I was not happy with the "normal" Q3. The 28mm was wider than real 28mm and for the way how I use 28mm, it was too heavy to lift fast. The Ricoh GR3 is better for this way of shooting. So I sold it.
The Leica q3 43 ticks more boxes for me, because with this focal range, I use the cameras differently. I do not need to be as close as with a 28mm and can lift it more to my eyes and stabilze it with two hands. So for this use case you have to compare it with other bodies which have 60MP and a 5.7MP viewfinder plus an excellent 40 or 50mm FFL. That is lifting the price of the alternatives dramatically. If you add to this excellent 60mm and/or 75mm FFL, it becomes even more expensive and heavier. The Q3 43 weights 750g. This is still relative small and light vs. a Sony A7R etc
Still the Q3 43 will be more expensive, of course. Even if it could replace several lenses above 50mm. The proove is in the pudding. Therefore I ordered one and see how it goes. It will arrive on Monday or Tuesday
My head sais: no matter what, this is way too expensive. Do not do this. It would be crazy.
My stomach sais: oh oh, you should not do this, this will not end good...
My curiosity in me whispers to me with a nice female voice: come one, give it a try before bashing it...
My curiosity is a real devil in my head
The problem is when you have a hobby and run even communities for it, you end up spending way too much money on this hobby because you spend too much time with gear news and get seduced by the members of your own forums. This is like drugs. Hard to resist. I need more discpline for "in" and "out". For each new item which comes, one has to leave. Easier said than done...
The Leica q3 43 ticks more boxes for me, because with this focal range, I use the cameras differently. I do not need to be as close as with a 28mm and can lift it more to my eyes and stabilze it with two hands. So for this use case you have to compare it with other bodies which have 60MP and a 5.7MP viewfinder plus an excellent 40 or 50mm FFL. That is lifting the price of the alternatives dramatically. If you add to this excellent 60mm and/or 75mm FFL, it becomes even more expensive and heavier. The Q3 43 weights 750g. This is still relative small and light vs. a Sony A7R etc
Still the Q3 43 will be more expensive, of course. Even if it could replace several lenses above 50mm. The proove is in the pudding. Therefore I ordered one and see how it goes. It will arrive on Monday or Tuesday
My head sais: no matter what, this is way too expensive. Do not do this. It would be crazy.
My stomach sais: oh oh, you should not do this, this will not end good...
My curiosity in me whispers to me with a nice female voice: come one, give it a try before bashing it...
My curiosity is a real devil in my head
The problem is when you have a hobby and run even communities for it, you end up spending way too much money on this hobby because you spend too much time with gear news and get seduced by the members of your own forums. This is like drugs. Hard to resist. I need more discpline for "in" and "out". For each new item which comes, one has to leave. Easier said than done...
Not counting employing 2x bodyguards if you want to indulge in some Euro city photography.
It's a pity modern expensive cameras lack such remote disabling tech as you can do with iPhones and others.
I'm both laughing and crying at Dirk's post, mostly a WHAT THE ....?
I felt the same way about ordering a £70 wifi 6 router earlier and now gathering up some unused electronics to sell to CEX to pay for it.
And that's 1/100th of the Leica cost
As for the Leica I'm sure the lens might cost at least 50% if it were separate as their APOs are crazy money.
BTW being ex-Pentax that 43mm on Leica reminded me of the Pentax FA43 f1.9 that was made available in Leica 39mm screw mount some years back. New Leica lens looks nothing like that one though.
I felt the same way about ordering a £70 wifi 6 router earlier and now gathering up some unused electronics to sell to CEX to pay for it.
And that's 1/100th of the Leica cost
As for the Leica I'm sure the lens might cost at least 50% if it were separate as their APOs are crazy money.
BTW being ex-Pentax that 43mm on Leica reminded me of the Pentax FA43 f1.9 that was made available in Leica 39mm screw mount some years back. New Leica lens looks nothing like that one though.
Looking forward to seeing some pics
The price of a Leica M 50/2.0 Apo lens alone is 8.390€. Without AF (!). Even more expensive than the whole Leica Q3 43.
The good thing is I will not loose money. Since Leica increases the prices very year by around 300€, I can sell it even after one year without a loss.
I bought the normal Q3 last year for 5.950€, today the list price is around 300€ more. I sold mine without a loss.
I know, this is an excuse and I try to to talk myself into something...
I am curious whether the Leica lens can beat the Sigma 50/2.0 / whether I will be able to see a difference in image quality.
I'd blooming well like to think so BUT...am curious whether the Leica lens can beat the Sigma 50/2.0 / whether I will be able to see a difference in image quality.
I seen great stuff from Leica SL2S with Sigma 65mm and even skateboard park action with Lumix 24-105 f4 which helped convince me to buy it.
As always it's the photographer but you could see the IQ which can't be denied.
Focus accuracy, speed etc. always go before counting megapixels. I remember all the faff surrounding back/forward focus errors in Pentax DSLR which made sensor MP a truly moot subject.
I'm thinking how good is the Leica AF for subject detection and tracking say for street photography making use of the touted cropping capability digitally with the 120mm zoom, roughly a 3x and 8MP files?
8MP images can still look amazing so no doubt with such a lens.
xaviergut
LMF-Patron
By the way, this "mathphotographer" was able to make a sharp photo at 1/8 sec., thanks to the OIS stabilization. I think the Leica SL3 has IBIS. It should be better.
He also says that the best ISO performance is with the 36mpx resolution option...
Anyway, I would love to try this Q3 43, and I am thinking about renting one at the Viena Leica Store in november for my birthday...
He also says that the best ISO performance is with the 36mpx resolution option...
Anyway, I would love to try this Q3 43, and I am thinking about renting one at the Viena Leica Store in november for my birthday...
The AF of the Q3/ Q3 43 will not be as good a in the S5ii.
The image quality of this new 43/2.0 Apo lens is intriguing, but for me not the main reason to try the Q3 43.
It is more the combination of fullframe with EVF in a relative compact size for a focal range of 50mm and longer. I can not achieve this with the Lumix S9 (and the S9 has no EVF).
The Q3 43 would be a special purpose camera while travelling. It will never replace my L-Mount system.
I still need the versatility of my L-Mount and MFT system. And the quality. I am super happy with both systems.
Once I do not have to do sport photography anymore, I can reduce some lenses, but only a few.
But who knows what will be in 5 years....
I do not know by heart how many MP with 120mm, but with 75mm you have still around 20MP. That is enough MP for me.
I use the range between 50mm and 75mm very often in my other systems
The image quality of this new 43/2.0 Apo lens is intriguing, but for me not the main reason to try the Q3 43.
It is more the combination of fullframe with EVF in a relative compact size for a focal range of 50mm and longer. I can not achieve this with the Lumix S9 (and the S9 has no EVF).
The Q3 43 would be a special purpose camera while travelling. It will never replace my L-Mount system.
I still need the versatility of my L-Mount and MFT system. And the quality. I am super happy with both systems.
Once I do not have to do sport photography anymore, I can reduce some lenses, but only a few.
But who knows what will be in 5 years....
I do not know by heart how many MP with 120mm, but with 75mm you have still around 20MP. That is enough MP for me.
I use the range between 50mm and 75mm very often in my other systems
pdk42
Moderator
Well done Dirk for ordering one. I'm sure it is a fantastic camera. And as you say, the real risk is pretty low since the depreciation rate of Leica gear is so low. Just keep it in good condition and you'll sell it for what you paid for it.I think it is difficult to compare. As you know I was not happy with the "normal" Q3. The 28mm was wider than real 28mm and for the way how I use 28mm, it was too heavy to lift fast. The Ricoh GR3 is better for this way of shooting. So I sold it.
The Leica q3 43 ticks more boxes for me, because with this focal range, I use the cameras differently. I do not need to be as close as with a 28mm and can lift it more to my eyes and stabilze it with two hands. So for this use case you have to compare it with other bodies which have 60MP and a 5.7MP viewfinder plus an excellent 40 or 50mm FFL. That is lifting the price of the alternatives dramatically. If you add to this execllent 60mm and/or 75mm FFL, it becomes even more expensive and heavier. The Q3 43 weights 750g. This is still relative small and light vs. a Sony A7R etc
Still the Q3 43 will be more expensive, of course. Even if it could replace several lenses above 50mm. The proove is in the pudding. Therefore I ordered one and see how it goes. It will arrive on Monday or Tuesday
My head sais: no matter what, this is way too expensive. Do not do this. It would be crazy.
My stomach sais: oh oh, you should not do this, this will not end good...
My curiosity in me whispers to me with a nice femaile voice: come one, give it a try before bashing it...
My curiosity is a real devil in my head
The problem is when you have a hobby and run even communities for it, you end up spending way too much money on this hobby because you spend too much time with gear news and get seduced by the members of your own forums. This is like drugs. Hard to resist. I need more discpline for "in" and "out". For each new item which comes, one has to leave. Easier said than done...
Let us all know how you like it once it arrives.
I think it is less the depreciation rate and more the yearly increase in list price. In reality, because of this there is no depreciation at all because you get the old price back and the second hand buyer gets it still cheaper than the new, increased list price.
Smart move from Leica as long as they find enough people who buy even after the price increase.
If I am allowed to, I can show Q3 43 pics once I have it here in the L-Mount forum. I do not want to annoy members here with non L-Mount gear.
Otherwise you can find some in the future in our sister community forum for Leica Q users:
www.LeicaQforum.com
Smart move from Leica as long as they find enough people who buy even after the price increase.
If I am allowed to, I can show Q3 43 pics once I have it here in the L-Mount forum. I do not want to annoy members here with non L-Mount gear.
Otherwise you can find some in the future in our sister community forum for Leica Q users:
www.LeicaQforum.com
Hey we're not the Pentax cult. Who is going to be annoyed? I asked you to post them!
There is a scarcity of pics as it is.
CharlesH
LMF-Patron Gold
Yes, please post Q3 43 pictures!!
My Q3 43 did not arrive yet. But I can show a comparison of the Leica Q3 with 28mm vs. Lumix S9 in the mean time. The Q3 43 has the exact same size as soon as you put the lens shade on (Q3 lens shade ist longer than the one of the Q3 43)
I no longer have the normal Q3. Since there is no Sigma 28mm lens available, I put the Sigam 24/3.5 on the S9. That is the smallest lens I have for L-Mount. The small "pocket wonder" on the left side is the Ricoh GR3.
I no longer have the normal Q3. Since there is no Sigma 28mm lens available, I put the Sigam 24/3.5 on the S9. That is the smallest lens I have for L-Mount. The small "pocket wonder" on the left side is the Ricoh GR3.
- Google - Pixel 8 Pro
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Yes! That would be a homerun. This is why I do believe that Panasonic and Leica have a kind of agreement here with their new R&D alliance to protect Leica M and Leica Q.
The S9 is really a nice camera. There is nothing to criticise I can think of at the moment except maybe start up time. But for street shooting with a wide angle like 24mm, you have to get very close to the people. For this I like 28mm a lot more.
But even if there will come a Sigma 28mm next year, the S9 has the same disadvantage as the Leica Q3 28mm for my kind of street shooting. They are both too heavy when lifting them to make an unplanned shot. The Ricoh GR3 is a lot faster, easier and lighter.
Q3 and S9 are also too "visible" compared to the Ricoh GR3. Nobody takes the GR3 serious. Thanks to this you get better photos. People are relaxed. Similar like with a Smartphone.
With 50mm and longer, a camera with a viewfinder is better for me. More distance, people do not realize me, I can lift the camera to my face without beeing noticed that fast (which makes peope normally more aware and uncomfortable)
Comparison
24mm
50mm
Of course the 24mm shot looks more dynamic. But in Japan it is difficult to come that close to the people. Different culture with different habits. We have to respect that.
24mm
- Panasonic - DC-S9
- 24mm F3.5 DG DN | Contemporary 021
- 24.0 mm
- ƒ/3.5
- 1/320 sec
- Pattern
- Auto exposure
- ISO 100
50mm
- Panasonic - DC-S9
- 50mm F2 DG DN | Contemporary 023
- 50.0 mm
- ƒ/2
- 1/4000 sec
- Pattern
- Auto exposure
- ISO 100
Of course the 24mm shot looks more dynamic. But in Japan it is difficult to come that close to the people. Different culture with different habits. We have to respect that.