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PL-Shooter

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I find this nearly impossible as there is simply no value left to re-sell. :(
So surprising as the system is quite affordable and produces awesome images.
I love the system, but I'm finding the Nikon Z system a better fit for my needs.
 
PL-Shooter said:
I find this nearly impossible as there is simply no value left to re-sell. :(
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I find this is with all systems atm. People do not have the money at the moment. If you look at the typical places for second hand. All brands are very cheap atm.


PL-Shooter said:
I love the system, but I'm finding the Nikon Z system a better fit for my needs.
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That is interesting. I left the Nikon Z-Mount for the L-Mount and have no regrets.

What do you prefer with the Z-Mount?
 
As I do in-camera only RAW processing, I can do so much more with images in the Z system. Also, much better ergos and controls, ability to use CFe cards in my Z7 II, much faster start-up time, more lenses to choose from, ability to interchange lenses between my FX and DX bodies, yadda, yadda, yadda.
 
That is funny. Some of your pros were my cons:

I prefer SD cards, there are less native Z lenses than native L-Mount lenses, the Z mount diameter is so big, so that even the smallest lenses are too big, there are no real DX FFL lenses for Z mount etc pp.
But there is no bad system out there. It is always a question of personal preferences. The Z7ii is still very good, the Z6 mkiii significant worse for my hands. IMHO Nikon goes in the wrong direction with the newest Z body sizes and shapes. But this is of course very subjective.

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Don't get me wrong .... I truly love my S5 "kit" and lenses, but I just prefer the Nikon Z system which I have used on and off for a few years now.
Just can't be bothered with the confusion of having 2 totally different FF systems. Much easier to sell "Z" items than Panasonic lately.
 
Nikon Z is nice. But the lack of zebras or over/under exposure indicators in live view is a deal breaker for me.
 
And as to leaving L-mount... I've sort of played with the idea in my mind of going back to m43, or even trying the Sony A7CR. The reasons are nothing to do with the bodies, but the lenses.

Since I mostly do landscapes, what's important to me is excellent and compact lenses that will give me a 16-200 focal length range. My ideal is a two lens setup of a 16-35 and 24/28-200; both need to deliver top-class IQ; neither need to be fast. Finding a good 16-35 UWA zoom isn't hard in any system, but finding a 24/28-200 that performs well is harder - the manufacturers seem to think the market is soccer mums and other casual shooters, so they are pitched at the lower-end of the market with compromised performance. This definitely applies to the Panasonic 28-200, the Nikon 24-200, the Sony 24-200 etc. But there are two exceptions that I'm aware of:

- Olympus 12-100 f4
- Tamron 28-200 f2.8-f5.6 Di III

The Olympus I've used a lot and it's superb. Not only has it got excellent IQ, but the image stabilisation in conjunction with an Olympus/OM body is insane. I've taken sharp shots at 10s at the wide end with it mounted on an EM1.3.

The Tamron I haven't used, but I've read endless reviews that are all glowing. The examples provided in many of them demonstrate that the lens is very good optically.

The Panasonic 28-200 has been a bitter disappointment for me. It's just not capable of delivering the IQ that I want. So, for the moment, I'm running with three lenses - the 14-28, the 24-105, and the 70-200 f4. All deliver great IQ, but the 70-200 is big and of course, it's a third lens. I'd dearly like to consolidate to two lenses. So I need a decent 24/28-200 or a 16-60. Neither exist in L-mount.

So either I keep with my three-lens setup (which needs a bigger bag than I'd like and causes more shoulder ache), or go elsewhere. Or wait and hope that one of the manufacturers brings out something that suits me.

I'm not going to do anything in a hurry, but I'm thinking...
 
My Z7 II has Zebra patterns for video; although I certainly don't need or use them for stills either.
I'm finding the Z 24-200 + Viltrox 20 f2.8 is all that I will ever need for my usage. ;)
 
PL-Shooter said:
My Z7 II has Zebra patterns for video; although I certainly don't need or use them for stills either.
I'm finding the Z 24-200 + Viltrox 20 f2.8 is all that I will ever need for my usage. ;)
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Nikon seem to think that stills shooters don't need zebras or over exposure indicators. If you want to adjust exposure to avoid clipping of highlights, IMHO they are borderline essential. The histogram doesn't cut it.

As to the 24-200, it's not a bad lens, but it's not top-notch IQ either.
 
Obviously, you don't like how Nikon does things so I'm not going to get into a P-SS-ng match over your likes VS mine. Enjoy what you have. :cool:
 
PL-Shooter said:
Obviously, you don't like how Nikon does things so I'm not going to get into a P-SS-ng match over your likes VS mine. Enjoy what you have. :cool:
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Oh, I agree. I actually really like Nikon Z. I ran a Z7 for a little while back in 2020. I liked a lot about it. The lack of zebras though was inexplicable!
 
pdk42 said:
The Olympus I've used a lot and it's superb. Not only has it got excellent IQ, but the image stabilisation in conjunction with an Olympus/OM body is insane. I've taken sharp shots at 10s at the wide end with it mounted on an EM1.3.

The Tamron I haven't used, but I've read endless reviews that are all glowing. The examples provided in many of them demonstrate that the lens is very good optically.
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I never used the Olympus. But bear in mind, that it is a lot easier to design a zoom with such a huge focal range for a smaller sensor than for fullframe.

Therefore no matter what reviewers are saying, I very much doubt that the Tamron megazoom is optically top notch.

It is relatively easy to design excellent zooms in the tele range. But each mm you go wider, it is getting more difficult and the lens is getting bigger and heavier.

Just look at the differences of the 24-70/2.8 vs. 28-70/2.8 zooms.

I am sure that Sigma will not sit there and watch how Tamron eats the cake for this zoom market. They want to have a piece of it. Panasonic is a different story. They also need to protect their MFT market.

No matter how you decide, it will be a compromise with every system out there.
 
dirk said:
I never used the Olympus. But bear in mind, that it is a lot easier to design a zoom with such a huge focal range for a smaller sensor than for fullframe.

Therefore no matter what reviewers are saying, I very much doubt that the Tamron megazoom is optically top notch.

It is relatively easy to design excellent zooms in the tele range. But each mm you go wider, it is getting more difficult and the lens is getting bigger and heavier.

Just look at the differences of the 24-70/2.8 vs. 28-70/2.8 zooms.

I am sure that Sigma will not sit there and watch how Tamron eats the cake for this zoom market. They want to have a piece of it. Panasonic is a different story. They also need to protect their MFT market.

No matter how you decide, it will be a compromise with every system out there.
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Yes, I agree with all of that, especially the last point.

Maybe I'll try living with the 20-60 and the 70-200. I like the 20-60 - despite its low price, its IQ is actually very good.
 
pdk42 said:
Nikon seem to think that stills shooters don't need zebras or over exposure indicators.
If you want to adjust exposure to avoid clipping of highlights, IMHO they are borderline essential. The histogram doesn't cut it.
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I never was a Nikon Z user. (However was a Nikon SLR shooter for about 45 years).
So didn't realise Nikon Z didn't have zebras or over exposure indicators as for still images.

I seldom use my camera for video. ( "If" - I make use of a personalised Cinelike-D profile for out of the camera footage).
Mainly a still shooter. By personal choice - I always make use of these zebra & over exposure indicators.
Knowing the borders that can be used, is essential in first place when taking pictures. Also for best editing afterwards in post.
Very handy tools, that I don't want to miss either doing "photography".
 
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dirk said:
What do you prefer with the Z-Mount?
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Many of us are hoping that Lumix will put a flagship camera like the Z9 or the Z8 on the market.

Having said that, I think that Lumix is very close to fully entering the cinema camera market... (the Lumix GH7 can use the ARRI LogC3 via upgrade).
and the S5II/X mid-range hybrid cameras are the best value for money out there.
 
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xaviergut said:
Many of us are hoping that Lumix will put a flagship camera like the Z9 or the Z8 on the market.
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mmmmhhhh....
I can only express my own opinion. Who knows whether I a am wrong or not....

I do think that we will see sooner or later a flagship model. But everyone understands something different with the word "flagship".

I my view, a flagship will be something like a S1R successor. No matter which body size. But I do not think that it will be like a Z8 or Z9, which are fine for professional sports photography too.

The Z8 and Z9 are huge by the way. I was negatively surprised when holding the Z8 in my hands. I would even not buy it for 500 USD.

But this is a personal preference only. I think Nikon should have stayed with the shape they used with Z6 and Z7. Others will love the bigger and "edgier" design of the Z6 mkiii.
 
I was not holding a Z8 up to now, but what is your impression in comparison to the S1/S1R body? The Lumix is big and heavy (like I expect the same from the Z8), but in direct comparison the S1R offers a much better handling (buttons, joystick, etc) than my S5. But the S5 is the one to go for a longer tour…
How do you compare the S1R and S5 to the Z8?
 
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