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Latest S1ii rumours

He's an angry negative man
You need to blank him out like I do and others otherwise they affect your mental health. Besides I don't give a shit about his opinion anyway Daumenhoch

On YouTube select 'don't recommend this channel' and it's supposed to not turn up again... but the algorithm is a joke and doesn't work for me anyway.

If I could get a screen/general/media filter to 100% block a certain aging sociopathic narcissist I would buy it for my mental health. Z04 Pc2
 
Looking more closely at the specs, it looks like it's not using a stacked sensor. Whilst the readout speeds, video modes, and FPS are definitely better than the S5ii, it's clear that the S1Rii will lag the Nikon Z8, Canon R5ii, and the Sony A1 - all of which use stacked sensors. None of this bothers me for what I do, but I suspect when the reviewers make comparisons with these cameras that this point will be well made.
It will be interesting to see the performance, mainly rolling shutter. Here is where we are now.
Lumix S5ii. 22ms. @4K​
Sony A1. 16.6ms. @8K​
Canon R5. 15.5ms. @8K​
Nikon Z9/Z8. 14.5ms. @8k​
Lumix GH7. 13.2ms. @4K​

it seems the S1Rii is better than the S5ii. Will it be as good as the stacked sensor cameras? We will shortly see a flurry of YouTube reports for the S1Rii. These may comment on rolling shutter, but will probably not have the setup to measure it accurately. Cine D always measures this, along with dynamic range, but they often report several months after the camera has been shipping. If Gerald Undone is back in the good graces of Panasonic North America he might measure and report it sooner than this. Or maybe someone else.
 
One of the things I love from this design, is the dedicated photo/video dial.
It is easy to set up the S5/S5II/S5IIx so it automatically holds your photo or video settings when you switch between photo and video modes. I've explained this in the past, but most Panasonic users don't seem to know how to do this.
 
It will be interesting to see the performance, mainly rolling shutter. Here is where we are now.
It's clear why I'm selling the A1 if I get the S1Rii. I have the GH7, and will use this for any sports photography, both for the small rolling shutter time and for the smaller lighter telephoto lenses. (And GH7 has the 1.5 second pre-burst feature.)
 
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So only thing for me is the decision of marketing to call it S1RII. For me it is a S5R with great features, but not a "1 series". Maybe we will never see a new 1 again, but with this decision there will be at least no big flagship in the midterm future...
Eh, who cares? I sure as hell don't.

Flagship is as flagship does. And this camera, if rumors are correct, sure does. That's what matters.

I admit I'm biased. But I would far, far rather see flagship functionality fit into a smaller body than see another flagship body that's too big and heavy for me to ever be comfortable with it.
 
You need to blank him out like I do and others otherwise they affect your mental health. Besides I don't give a shit about his opinion anyway Daumenhoch

On YouTube select 'don't recommend this channel' and it's supposed to not turn up again... but the algorithm is a joke and doesn't work for me anyway.
If I could get a screen/general/media filter to 100% block a certain aging sociopathic narcissist I would buy it for my mental health. Z04 Pc2
I do avoid their reviews and the podcast now as they just irritate me. I did watch the YT video presented by Jarron comparing iPhone with gimbals vs the Osmo. That was interesting and I thought it was fair and balanced, and I learned something.
I'd say more a smiling assassin. Doesn't worry me, I take very little notice of his type anyway, that Northrup dude is another lol lol
Yes, true. The smiling presenter is a façade.
 
It will be interesting to see the performance, mainly rolling shutter. Here is where we are now.
Lumix S5ii. 22ms. @4K​
Sony A1. 16.6ms. @8K​
Canon R5. 15.5ms. @8K​
Nikon Z9/Z8. 14.5ms. @8k​
Lumix GH7. 13.2ms. @4K​

it seems the S1Rii is better than the S5ii. Will it be as good as the stacked sensor cameras? We will shortly see a flurry of YouTube reports for the S1Rii. These may comment on rolling shutter, but will probably not have the setup to measure it accurately. Cine D always measures this, along with dynamic range, but they often report several months after the camera has been shipping. If Gerald Undone is back in the good graces of Panasonic North America he might measure and report it sooner than this. Or maybe someone else.
Well, if it's not competitive from a rolling shutter standpoint, most will ask "why not use the 60 MP sensor?" Particularly if there is a stacked-sensor body on the way.

Hopefully this won't be a "neither fish nor fowl" body. Like Paul, I'm not overly worried about rolling shutter, but if it does end up being a problem for those who care, then I would indeed ask why they didn't go with the 60 MP sensor and at least make some of us happy.

Soon we shall know.
 
It will be interesting to see the performance, mainly rolling shutter. Here is where we are now.
Lumix S5ii. 22ms. @4K​
Sony A1. 16.6ms. @8K​
Canon R5. 15.5ms. @8K​
Nikon Z9/Z8. 14.5ms. @8k​
Lumix GH7. 13.2ms. @4K​

it seems the S1Rii is better than the S5ii. Will it be as good as the stacked sensor cameras? We will shortly see a flurry of YouTube reports for the S1Rii. These may comment on rolling shutter, but will probably not have the setup to measure it accurately. Cine D always measures this, along with dynamic range, but they often report several months after the camera has been shipping. If Gerald Undone is back in the good graces of Panasonic North America he might measure and report it sooner than this. Or maybe someone else.
If the S1RII has got the IMX366, it probably would be round about 16.5 ms for 8k.

But it probably will be a little bit different for photo. The A1 reads out the sensor in about 4-5 ms for photography. The IMX366 takes probably about 19 ms.

But it's still not sure what sensor the S1RII is using. The IMX366 is very likely.
 
If the S1RII has got the IMX366, it probably would be round about 16.5 ms for 8k.

But it probably will be a little bit different for photo. The A1 reads out the sensor in about 4-5 ms for photography. The IMX366 takes probably about 19 ms.

But it's still not sure what sensor the S1RII is using. The IMX366 is very likely.
Its probably the IMX366, OR the sensor from the DJI Ronin 8K. That's the second sensor what is rumored.
 
I might create a Chris Niccolls "complaints bingo" list. It would include things like "Panasonic have missed an opportunity by not having at least a 60MP sensor", "It's hard to understand who this camera is for", "The battery life is terrible", "Why would you buy this camera when you can get a stacked sensor Sony/Canon/Nikon...", "It's not as beautiful as the OM3", etc.
Hahahaha :D that is a great idea, Pete. You can add to the list of stupid statements something like: "The S1Rii is cheaper than its Nikon, Canon and Sony direct rivals, and therefore it feels like plastic, because cheap is bad and expensive is allways good" Z04 Kaputtlachen
 
It's assumable that the sensor in the Ronin 8k is probably the IMX366.

For the S1RII, it's very likely too.
I asked chatGPT:

Comparison of Zenmuse X9-8K and Sony IMX366

Sensor & Resolution: Both are full-frame (35mm) sensors capable of 8K video. The X9-8K records at 8192 x 4320, while the IMX366 has ~44.72MP.

Frame Rates & Bit Depth: The X9-8K supports 8K at 60fps and 4K at 120fps, whereas the IMX366 handles 8K at 26.15fps (14-bit) or high-speed 8K at 12-bit.

Dynamic Range & ISO: The X9-8K offers over 14 stops of dynamic range and dual native ISO (800/4000). The IMX366’s exact values are undisclosed.

Conclusion:

Both sensors share similarities, but the X9-8K offers higher 8K frame rates, suggesting DJI may use a different or customized sensor rather than the IMX366.

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I DO agree that it will probably be an version of the IMX366, but soon we will find out for sure.
 
Eh, who cares? I sure as hell don't.

Flagship is as flagship does. And this camera, if rumors are correct, sure does. That's what matters.

I admit I'm biased. But I would far, far rather see flagship functionality fit into a smaller body than see another flagship body that's too big and heavy for me to ever be comfortable with it.
As I said, the features sounds great. But except of the weight for me the body of the S1R was near to perfect! I never had a camera before with such a good handling (my personal impression) and the S5 body comes near, but is not as good as the S1 type body. Only the weight of the S1 bodies is really bad…

And in general: I love a display on the top of a camera. Could be better quality than the display of the S1R, but now there is nothing…

But this is personal and would be different with anyone from us…
 
As I said, the features sounds great. But except of the weight for me the body of the S1R was near to perfect! I never had a camera before with such a good handling (my personal impression) and the S5 body comes near, but is not as good as the S1 type body. Only the weight of the S1 bodies is really bad…
I understand you like the S1R body, and I understand why you like it. I'm not trying to deny your feelings. But I feel the exact opposite - the S1R is not just too heavy, it's far too big for me. Too big to hold, too big to shoot comfortably. I dislike it at least as much as you like it.

But I think we both agree the features and performance qualify it as a flagship camera, right? "S1" is Panasonic's label for their flagship line. Denying it that label just because of the size is flat-out wrong. "S5" is Panasonic's lower-end line, and calling it an S5 just because it's smaller is misleading.

But this is personal and would be different with anyone from us…
I admit this is a personal sore point for me. I feel I've been under siege for at least a decade, since the Lumix GM5. That was a near-perfect camera to me at the time; fit in the palm of your hand, could take it anywhere (including a lot of places that were 'no big rigs allowed'), but with a premium build, a viewfinder, and enough manual controls for my style of shooting, while taking pictures that were just as good as its contemporary M4/3 siblings. But it was constantly derided as a 'toy' camera, by people who insisted that real cameras had dozens of manual controls and switches and had to weigh 15 pounds. And it died, because it wasn't given a fair shake.

The decade since hasn't been any kinder. Other cameras I loved for their size and premium build, like the Oly Pen-F, got similarly criticized as "fashion" cameras not worthy of serious photographers. The size of flagship cameras like the E-M1 series kept creeping upward.

So when I see someone saying that a camera doesn't deserve the flagship label because it's smaller, that punches my buttons.
 
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So when I see someone saying that a camera doesn't deserve the flagship label because it's smaller, that punches my buttons.
Cultist type Pentaxians would still argue their K1 is a flagship camera as it has an OVF, big, heavy, mirrorless modern AF is not necessary as they are better than technology and doesn't do nonsense such as video as you're not a real photographer.

No more explanation required :D

BTW you can punch their buttons as they are flagship, it enjoys it and asks for more.

It's called pseudo-elitism ;)
 
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