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No, neither the S1 nor the S1R have an OLPF. The S1H does.

It's interesting that you see moire in the 96MP images. While I have not specifically tested that, Richard Wong has shown that HR mode does reduce moire. It might be worth starting a new thread.
 
PJD said:
So, nothing new go'n on, huh? :D

Questions: I've noticed bad aliasing moire artifacts in Hi-Res 96MP photos taken with my S5iiX, I assume because the camera doesn't have an OLPF in front of the sensor. Do "S1R" models have an OLPF? And/or would a new super Hi-Res mode (176MP or whatever) be expected to have similar issues?
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That should not happen due to the AA effect of the 1/2 pixel shift and merging.

Perhaps it can still happen with specifically sized patterns/colours rather like resonant frequency in physics.

My last Pentax had no physical anti-moire filter but a simulated method where the sensor literally was vibrated to 1/2 pixel size hence similar method to.Hi-Res merging.

Lets see a picture of your Hi-Res moire
 
CharlesH said:
If true I could be interested. I would love to trade my Sony A1 for a Panasonic. If it were to have GH7 like video features, then I would start to get excited.

Maybe that is what the "X" is about. A second camera with more video features.
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I read rumors that the R-version is without fan, and the X-version wil have the fan and presumably more internal codecs. (And perhaps internal ND :p)
 
Markuswelder said:
I think that's a part of the Organic sensor they're working on. Or were. It's gone pretty quiet, so they've either quietly forgotten about it/shelved it for the present, or are really close to springing it on us.
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No, the Panasonic built in variable ND filter patent I saw didn't have anything to do with the organic sensor. I forgot where I saw it, it was several months ago. Built in ND filters are nothing new, the patent had to do with the novel apparatus to make it work in their mirrorless cameras.
 
PJD said:
So, nothing new go'n on, huh? :D

Questions: I've noticed bad aliasing moire artifacts in Hi-Res 96MP photos taken with my S5iiX, I assume because the camera doesn't have an OLPF in front of the sensor. Do "S1R" models have an OLPF? And/or would a new super Hi-Res mode (176MP or whatever) be expected to have similar issues?
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Very strange. I did some repro shots of old calendars and they showed very bad moire. No chance to fix this in post. After changing to High-Res the moire was completely gone. The only drawback of HR pictures are the huge files, with the S1R you get over 300MB per shot…
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
I like my S1R body, but I admit that loosing 200-300 grams would be welcome.

However, a bigger concern for me the rear screen. I hope they stick with the articulating screen.
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Agreed on both George!
 
CharlesH said:
No, the Panasonic built in variable ND filter patent I saw didn't have anything to do with the organic sensor. I forgot where I saw it, it was several months ago. Built in ND filters are nothing new, the patent had to do with the novel apparatus to make it work in their mirrorless cameras.
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A built in variable ND up to 10 stops would be a god-send for landscape shooters.
 
Concerning aliasing moire artifacts in S5iiX Hi-Res 96MP photos, refer to my example posted a while back. In that example I was able to repair the image in post, but this isn't always possible.

I haven't seen moire aliasing in every Hi-Res photo I've taken. It depends on the scene/subject and lens focus/sharpness. I'm not complaining. I'm glad to hear the S1H has an OLPF filter on its sensor. We'll have to wait to see how future Lumix cameras perform in this regard. Cheers.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
However, a bigger concern for me the rear screen. I hope they stick with the articulating screen.
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I would rather they go to a screen like the GH7. This is like the screen on the S1H that both flips and tilts, except it is a newer design that isn't as bulky and it works better. This design is good for both photographers and videographers. It is a little more bulky than either kind of screen alone, but for me it works well on the GH7.
 
CharlesH said:
No, the Panasonic built in variable ND filter patent I saw didn't have anything to do with the organic sensor. I forgot where I saw it, it was several months ago. Built in ND filters are nothing new, the patent had to do with the novel apparatus to make it work in their mirrorless cameras.
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www.4kshooters.net

Panasonic Has Developed an 8K Organic Sensor with Global Shutter

Panasonic flexes "engineering muscles" by announcing they have developed a 36 megapixel 8K "organic" CMOS sensor with global shutter!
www.4kshooters.net www.4kshooters.net
 
CharlesH said:
I would rather they go to a screen like the GH7. This is like the screen on the S1H that both flips and tilts, except it is a newer design that isn't as bulky and it works better. This design is good for both photographers and videographers. It is a little more bulky than either kind of screen alone, but for me it works well on the GH7.
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I think the discussion about the mechanics of the rear screen will never end, because there are 2 sides with good arguments…

For vloggers the swivel screen is best, because of moving the screen 180 degrees. For stills most of the photographers love the flip up/down as best, because you are more aligned to the camera.
For me I need a screen which is usable in portrait format! That is the reason why Leica SL3 is actually a no go for me. The S1R version was good, but not perfect for all situations. But also the swivel version from the S5 is not perfect, because when using l-brackets on tripods the turn out of the screen is also limited.
Therefore I personally would like an extended version of the S1R screen, but not the S5 version. But I understand the needs for video…
 
Quentinquirelino said:
Look at the screen mechanism of the S1H, GH6 and GH7. Best for both.
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Adding bulk, it's all a compromise. I'd rather have only a vertical flip down screen on S5ii myself as it's hardly a vlogging camera but flipping any direction can be useful on odd occasions.

I'd probably not mind the extra few mm TBH considering the size of the overall camera and lenses. I loved the look down viewfinders for certain Pentax SLR, the offset to the side with flippy screen is something you can accommodate though but never ideal... All compromises. If the new camera has both then damn I'd definitely want it :(
 
Quentinquirelino said:
But only a reasonable amount of bulk. It takes about the same space as the mechanism of the S1R.
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I think time has proven, that the decision to offer big bodies like the S1R is not in high demand for most users.

Since this is a war about market share and selling enough bodies to make R&D profitable is crucial, every "little" extra which might make a body bigger than smaller is atm not smart.

In the long run, as soon as the market share of L-Mount is bigger and they can afford to offer more variations of bodies, this might be different. But Panasonic has to set priorities and this is in my view atm smaller, affordable bodies, as we have seen with the success of the S5/S5ii.

You can see the same strategy with Fuji and Nikon. It took a long way before they offered an X1H, X2H or Z8, Z9. Everything else was smaller.

I guess with Canon it is the same, but I did not yet have Canon R bodies in my hands, so I can not judge it from my own experience.

I want L-Mount to succeed. For this we need a bigger market share. For this we need more "main stream" customers. For this we need small and affordable bodies and lenses.

Maybe the S1Rii will be as big as the old S1R, but then Panasonic should hurry up to offer something smaller asap for a broader audience, otherwise they will never get a bigger market share in the fullframe market.

MFT is not enough as an alternative, because it is a different lens mount with no upgrade possibility and some people just want to have fullframe.

We need entry level fullframe cameras with entry level features in entry level body sizes at entry level prices.
 
dirk said:
We need entry level fullframe cameras with entry level features in entry level body sizes at entry level prices.
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I think the entry level is available with the S5D. I just saw an offer for 725€ for the body. That is a great price for a very capable body. Except for high speed AF this camera offers everything at entry level.
 
The S5/S5ii body is too big for this target group. Additionally you need to step up the EVF to 3.6MP for an entry level model to be attractive also in 2 years.

Panasonic will not release every 2 years a new entry level model.
 
RBecker said:
I think the entry level is available with the S5D. I just saw an offer for 725€ for the body. That is a great price for a very capable body. Except for high speed AF this camera offers everything at entry level.
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Or the S9. Personally, if my S5 died tomorrow, I'd probably still just grab the S5D. Or even an original S5 if they were still available.
 
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