You are right, I think there is no chance for E-L adapters! It was a bold move from Nikon to make the Z-mount the shortest and widest. So you can adapt nearly anything and you have a lot of options for design. The only drawback is for their APS-C cameras: Huge mount for small cameras…
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Quentinquirelino
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I don't think that was their intention behind the Z Mount.
And that is killing any future of Nikon APS-C line. Noone will invest in an APSC system, if it is as big as fullframe with other brands. Nikon seems not be interested in APSC anymore. Since around 10 years.
Yes, that's what I seem to recall. The E2Z converter is already quite thin; an E2L might be problematically thin. Perhaps hard to even put a reasonable grip on it? Still, one can hope.
Jonathan-Mac
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Neither Nikon nor Canon are interested in APS-C but this goes back much further than ten years. If that wasn't the case then they would have offered a far wider selection of APS-C lenses. APS-C gives them some presence in the cheaper end of the camera market but TBH most cameras in that area these days are hobbled by a lack of a viewfinder and so aren't of interest to many people anyway.
Size isn't the only thing that makes people want APS-C - there's price too, but these days on many systems you can get FF for only a bit more than APS-C and many APS-C cameras are much more expensive than many FF ones. Still, Nikon, after years suffering with the F-mount that was designed too small, over-compensated when they designed the Z mount.
Markuswelder
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I'll admit to being really really annoyed with Canon, for a really long time over that. They kind of tricked me with the release of the EOSM, & the excellent and petite 22 f2 pancake. I'd had all my EF-S gear stolen at the time, & it looked like Canon had finally started down the road of a good selection of compact quality lenses. Unfortunately not. The 22mm & 11-22 were about the only really good ones they came out with. I'd long since moved on when they finally released a good 50mm equivalent, and really glad I did. An 85mm was never seen. And then they killed it. To add insult to injury, you can't adapt EF-M to RF, & you have to buy your APSC lens collection all over again. Not interested in that, that's a pure money grab if I've ever seen one.
One thing it did teach me, never ever buy into a system on what you hope it will become, buy into a system that has what you want, already in existence.
Jonathan-Mac
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Yep, EF-M was a very bad move, for Canon and for their customers, but more for their customers. If they had brought out a mirrorless mount that was valid for FF from the outset then both parties would have been much better off. I think Canon's history of support for APS-C was enough to warn me off EF-M, even without their previous history of abandoning mounts.
Markuswelder
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FD was the only mount they'd abandoned previously though? And I think that was actually a good move. EF to RF not so much, I see that once again as just another cash grab, as RF kind of went the opposite way to what Mirrorless promised -smaller & more compact lenses. EF-M was just a p!$$ take on all their customers. The power of a brand name hey.
Travis Butler
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Of course, they weren’t the only ones… Nikon 1 was also a fiasco, arguably an even worse one given the size of the sensor.
I tried both of them out when I found examples of each on clearance.
The EOS-M with the 22mm pancake took some actually decent photos; but it was Yet Another in the line of cameras without an EVF that drove me crazy, and - at least in the stuff I shot with it - didn’t have a significant IQ advantage over the M4/3 system I was using at the time.
The Nikon 1 V1 fared a little better in that it least had an EVF. However, the body was hard to hold and aim, the mode dial was actually set into the thumbgrip (?1?) where it kept getting accidentally changed, and I actually preferred the IQ of the enthusiast compact Fuji X10 I’d picked up around the same time.
(Really loved that X10; the lens was great, the sensor wasn’t bad, and the body begged you to shoot with it.)
Jonathan-Mac
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Anyway, back on topic, it will be good to see who else is joining. They confirmed it's happening so it's beyond just considering companies. Hopefully Viltrox. Whoever joins, I hope they're a lot more committed to it than Samyang turned out to be - just one lens! And I hope that it's companies that will produce lenses, not like some of the members who are apparently in the alliance but don't seem to do anything at all.