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What has to happen that you get out of GAS?

dirk

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Inspired by some comments in the classified section, I would be interested in your opinion. Everybody likes to buy new gear. Some buy more, some buy less.

I would be interested in your own story.

What have you used in the past, for how long and what has to happen that you would be happy with what you have and no longer have the desire to buy new gear (lenses, bodies, P&S)?

My story is this.

I started well over 25 years with analog photography. Contax was the brand. Zeiss made the lenses. As a student I did not have much money. So I bought always second hand and I could not afford more than 2 lenses.

After a couple of years I switched bodies more often (always Contax), but had never more than one at the same time to be able to fund it. I never needed more than 3 lenses, I was happy. Tried out Nikon and Leica inbetween but sold it always very soon afterwards without a loss. Good old analog times...

Then the digital phase started. My first real comittment for DSRLs was a used Nikon D70 with a used a Sigma 28-70/3.5-4.5 and later in addition a Nikkor 50/1.8 second hand. Boy, I was proud like hell. I loved it. But sensor innovations made it hard to keep up with that speed. Second hand was rare these days with DSLR.

The caroussel began. It was really GAS, because there was each time a significant step up in image quality. But prices were not stable, obviously. Buy and sell as soon as the image quality became meaningful better meant burning money fast. The hunt for better image quality was more on the sensor side. I had always only 3 lenses max. at the same time. To name a few bodies: Minolta 7D, Nikon D80, Sigma SD14, S15, Sony A850, Nikon D7100, Fuji XE1, Nikon D800.

That was a kind of 2 year cycle all the time until I switched to MFT in 2016.

I did not trust MFT 100% at the beginning, therefore I decided to keep my Fuji as my "security". That was the first time I had 2 systems at the same time.

It turned out I was happy with MFT. No GAS feelings anymore. I almost never used my Fuji system anymore. I was close to sell Fuji. There was not really a reason to keep Fuji. MFT did all I needed and it was smaller and lighter than Fuji X.

But in 2018, Nikon, Canon and L-Mount announced their new mirrorless systems. I knew that this would change the market dramatically and that Fuji need to work really hard to fight against it, because fullframe cameras without a mirror become smaller and enter into Fuji territory. The more competition, the better for us.

I wanted to see and compare what the different brands have to offer in this new mirrorless competition compared to MFT (and Fuji, which only collected dust).

Sony was out of question, because of my experience with the brand in the past. They experimented too much at the cost of the customers. You never knew whether your product line becomes obsolete within 6 months.

I was never interested in Canon as a brand. A personal, subjective thing. Therefore no Canon R for me.

In 2018/2019 Panasonic fullframe was too expensive and too big. But I was totally excited about this new alliance and its opportunities from the very moment of the announcement. L-Mount with its 3 alliance partners was my hottest bet for my dream system next to MFT.

I had to wait for the prices to come down and to see what lens choice will be offered.

It took me another 3 years before I bought new stuff in 2021. No digital system survived so long in the past at my home like MFT (6 years at that time in 2021). I still loved MFT.

So, I started only 3 years later in 2021 with Nikon Z6. The Z6 was great, the Z lens mount not. Z lens mount was too big for me. APS-lenses will be always too big because of this, but even Z fullframe lenses have a volume which is too big for me.

In 2021 Panasonic introduced also the Lumix S5. Finally a smaller body than the S1!

The lens mount for L-Mount is smaller than Nikon Z. That means smaller lenses are possible. But Lumix lenses were kind of big for my taste and "too modern" looking/ no aperture ring.

Luckily, L-Mount has Sigma and Sigma slowly introduced one i-series lens after the other. Exactly what I dreamt of. Metal, high build quality, aperture ring and small & light. The modern Leica & Zeiss lenses of the analog times Z04 Herz

This felt like a rebirth of the Contax system. One brand makes great bodies (Kyocera/Panasonic), the other brand makes the great lenses (Zeiss/Sigma). I love it! Z04 Herz

These 3 factors (S5, size of lens mount and Sigma lenses) convinced me to buy L-Mount myself. I still kept MFT and Fuji, because it was still smaller than L-Mount and I wanted to wait how L-Mount evolves over the time.

The more L-Mount lenses got introduced, the more I did settle. Finally I knew I can buy more than my standard 2-3 lenses I used to buy the last 20 years. It is not a waste or risk anymore. This lens mount has AF, electronic communication and is mirrorless. This lens mount will not change within the next 20 years.

The image quality of current sensors is more than enough for me for the next 20 years, too. All lenses produced after 2018 are significant better than everything before anyway (true for all brands). I do not need more image quality. I am not a professional. Finally time to get peace in your mind.

Status quo 2024/10. Nikon Z system is sold. Only 3 systems (LMount, Fuji and MFT) are with me as of today. Over the coming 6 months I hope to be able to make a decision whether Fuji or MFT or both have to find a new home.

The timing of this decision depends on (for me) missing products for L-Mount (28/2.0, smaller telezoom, smaller body) and for MFT (smaller body). At the same time I try to figure out how much a high quality compact camera (Ricoh GR3/3x, Leica Q3/Q3 43) can replace some lenses or even a complete second camera system

I think my GAS is gone. Only this finetuning is needed, which depends on the producers, not me.

I don't have any motivation for new products after these gaps are filled if it does not solve any other major problem in photography for me.

I love to try out new gear, but I do not love to pay for it, if I do not really need it and it does not make my life easier.

Therefore GAS is (hopefully) over for me.

How about you? What has to happen that you feel that you reached your goal and be happy for the next 15-20 years?
 
Years ago, around 2003, I started with a DSLR, the Canon D60. great camera for that time. I had to lenses for it, a 70-200 and a 16mm, I think the cropfactor was 1.6, meaning it where more a 112-320 and a 24mm lens for me. I used them for several trips, including these of the condor in the Andes, until the kit got stolen in the Netherlands during a trip to the zoo.

I was so mad I didn't want a new 'real' camera anymore, also I lost mostly my interest in stills. I did have a small camera for some snapshots, and some video mostly of the kids which where growing up. That camera was exchanged for a smartphone when it came more advanced.

Then Corona came, and I got long-covid, and I couldn't do a lot. For relaxing I did start some video's, started editing them and than I got hooked.
I started with Premiere, but soon found out about Davinci Resolve and the rest is history.

I first bought a S5, together with the 20-60mm, the 24-105mm and some vintage lenses. I had the 24-105mm F4 sold to another member of this forum. To heavy for my uses.

When the S5iiX came I directly bought that camera, and the S5 became a B-cam. Now I also have a DJI Action4 as C-cam, and quite some lenses:

The 35mm F1.8, 50mm F1.8, the 50mm F1.8, the 85mm F1.8, the 20-60mm and my most used lenses for now (during trips): the 28-200mm and the Sigma 16-28mm

I do see myself exchanging the S5 in the future for a second S5iiX, if I see a second hand for the right price (not now).
For camera gear the rest is what I need, I might buy a BMD video assist 12g in the future, but no other gear.

For the editing I will buy a new PC next year, and the BMD Micropanel. I already have the 3 monitors (including the LG 42C3 Oled TV), so I expect their no more changes.
I hope that after that my GAS is gone, I would prefer to use the money on more trips, to actually use the gear ;-)


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I've had GAS, only one DSLR but 25+ vintage cheapo Pentax lenses, 6 or so film cameras, bought a full dark room setup. I still have all that film stuff but regarding digital I just use S5ii, 24-105 and 70-300 with zero GAS for anything else again. Have a K-mount Samyang 14mm f2.8 and that's it, I said before I grew to hate it having too much stuff and stopped photography.

I've absolutely no plan to buy anything else and still have to move some of that Pentax legacy stuff on but nobody wants it, just like I don't.

Great condor photos Daumenhoch Smilie

Remedy for GAS is to become totally skint so you can barely afford food plus you'll lose weight. :p
 
Interesting thread Dirk. I'll post two replies - one long and one short. The long one is my photo gear history since it sets the context. The shorter one is more of a philosophical point about GAS...
 
Long post - my camera gear history...


Analogue phase 1 (1972 - 1981 - basically my teenage years and into university days)
- Praktica (L) - with some crap lenses (I was 13 years old)
- Pentax Spotmatic II - with the same crap lenses, but a lovely Takumar 50mm f1.4 too !
I never had GAS - just tried to get something that I could afford by begging/borrowing off my parents supplemented by whatever I could earn doing part-time jobs.
I sold all the camera gear when I was a poor student.


Analogue phase 2 (1989-2005 - when I was in my late 20s onwards and had a little cash)
- Pentax MX with the 50mm f1.7. But it got stolen in Russia during a business trip, so I replaced it with a small Canon setup.
- Canon EOS 50e - with cheapo 50mm and 70-300 lenses.
I didn't use the Canon gear a lot (too much other stuff on in my life).


Digital SLR (2005-2013 - when the family was young and I had a little more cash !!)
Being a Canon EOS user, sticking to Canon was the obvious choice:
- Canon 350d followed by a Canon 40d (both APSC)
- Then a switch from APSC to FF with a Canon 5dii
- Lenses at the end were the 17-40, 24-105, and 70-200 f4.

I was happy more or less with the Canon kit and used it a lot without much GAS. On top of that, I got into photography much more - I learned how to do PP properly on raw files and the quality of the photos I produced jumped a lot. I joined a camera club etc.

Micro Four Thirds (2013-2023):
I would probably still be using Canon gear if I hadn't bought an Olympus E-PL5 in 2013 as a small camera to cart around when I was on business in various parts of the world. This turned out to be a huge mistake because the little E-PL5 delivered images almost as good as the 5dii, but it was WAY smaller.

So, I ditched the Canon gear, added an E-M5 to the E-PL5 and started building out a full MFT system. It was the start of a ten year love affair with Olympus. Over that time...
- I owned almost every MFT camera that Olympus made ! - yes really.
- The EM1.3 remains my favourite body of all time - great handling and great features.
- Lots of lenses !!
- I had lots of GAS and the healthy second hand market in MFT gear fanned the flames !

Diversions from MFT:
I never left MFT, but I had a few diversions along the way:
- Fuji X - more out of curiosity than anything else, I tried an XE1 with the 30/1.4. I loved the lens and hated the raw files! It didn't last long.
- Sony A7rii - I quite liked the Sony in many ways and almost ditched MFT for it, but the lack of decent lenses (at the time) stopped me.
- Nikon Z7 - I similarly liked the Nikon gear, but it was very new and lacked lenses. I pre-ordered the 24-200 and was very disappointed with it when it arrived.

So, despite the diversions, I remained in MFT.

L-mount (2022-)
I'd been getting slowly frustrated from about 2020 with the lack of progress on MFT sensor IQ. Even the OM1 failed to deliver much. Apart from the recent G9ii, I reckon that raw file IQ at base ISO has hardly moved in MFT since the 16Mp Sony sensors appeared in the E-M5, E-PL5 etc in 2012/2013. The failure of the OM1 to move the dial in any meaningful way for a landscape shooter like me accelerated my thoughts about FF - again.

So, having tried Sony and Nikon, I thought I'd try Panasonic (I ignored Canon because of their policy of locking out 3rd parties from the RF mount),. I bought the cheapest used S5 +20-60 I could find just to give it try - and ended up liking it so much I decided to say goodbye to Olympus and MFT. The ten year love affair was over!!

I sold all my MFT gear at the end of last year (apart from two lenses that I couldn't get a decent price for - the Olympus 25 and 45 f1.8 primes).

I now have two bodies (S5 and S1R), plus 7 lenses - 20-60, 14-28, 24-105, 70-200/4, Sigma 35/2, Lumix 50/1.8, and the TTArtisan 11mm fisheye. Apart from the fact that I'd really like to replace the 24-105 and 70-200/4 with one lens (please Tamron, bring the 28-200 to L-mount), I'm very happy with the Lumix FF gear.

GAS status 2024
Do I still get GAS? I have no GAS for more L-mount gear. I'm very happy with the IQ from it all.

BUT... I still hark back to the smaller Olympus gear and in particular to the 12-100 which is a fantastic lens for the shooting I do. I've looked at lots of reviews of the Tamron 28-200 for Sony E and have at several times had it, plus a used A7 body of some sort, in a checkout basket. But, I always hesitate - mainly because unless I get the very latest Sony A7RV or the A7CR, the IBIS will be worse than what I have and since the 28-200 is an unstabilised lens, I need the IBIS to be good. And I don't want to go trying the Sony system by buying the most expensive body they sell.
 
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I might buy a BMD video assist 12g in the future, but no other gear.
John, if you use the S5 OG with the Blackmagic video assist 12g you don't have the 30 min time limit, right? And you can record to SSD connected to the BMVA, right? The thing is the battery...

Would it be possible to use a dummy battery and a V battery with a V-Mount plate?
 
Short post... the philosophy of GAS...

- I think some photographers (me included) get as much out of the gear as the photo-taking and the images. Rational thinking about needing gear for specific projects or results does not come into it at all. The gear is an end in itself.

- I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing - each to their own; and let's face it, there's very little (borderline nothing) that we humans do that really matters in the long run, so if someone gets joy out of the gear, why not?

- Of course, it costs money. But living costs money and we can't take it with us. So long as you're not spending cash on camera gear that should be spent on essentials (housing, food, children etc), then you shouldn't feel bad about it.

- In any case, the cash spent on photo gear compared to lifetime earnings etc is probably not as much as we might think.

On top of all that, there are market/practical things that drive change:

- Product and tech evolution

- The camera marketing machine - manufacturers' programmes, the reviewers, the "influencers", the YT channels etc. It's hard to resist and it drives demand, even if the demand isn't really there in terms of practical end results.

- The general way in which our economy works. We're all hooked on consumption and humanity works on this economic model. It's hard not to be wrapped up in it! We could argue that this economic model is wrecking our world and will eventually cause armageddon. I think this is true actually, but that's a whole different thread!!

So, there you go - GAS is in our nature; the market feeds off it, and we feed off the market. Photography is just one of the diversions we take up to occupy our time before the grim reaper arrives. Don't fight it! The alternative is nihilism!
 
latest Sony A7RV or the A7CR, the IBIS will be worse than what I have
Attention: A7cR has around 2 stops less IBIS than A7RV and an EVF you do not want to have ;)
 
@pdk42

I did not want to judge about GAS with my posting. I just see in my CV times when I bought many cameras in a short period of time and less at other times. So I am telling my individual "GAS story".

If we look at the quality level we have nowadays, there is almost nothing 99% of the people would miss 99% of the time with the newest cameras and lenses of 2024.

This is bad news for the photo industry. How many cameras can you sell to the same people, if they have no need for ISO 1 million or better AF speed on a microlevel, which you can not see or feel?

If I look at the huge choice among all brands and the L-Mount body and lens choice in particular, there are not many gaps left to fill.

If each year 6-10 new lenses are introduced and the long awaited successor bodies come plus one smaller entry level body, then 2025 and 2026 will fill all gaps missing.
 
@pdk42

I did not want to judge about GAS with my posting. I just see in my CV times when I bought many cameras in a short period of time and less at other times. So I am telling my individual "GAS story".

If we look at the quality level we have nowadays, there is almost nothing 99% of the people would miss 99% of the time with the newest cameras and lenses of 2024.

This is bad news for the photo industry. How many cameras can you sell to the same people, if they have no need for ISO 1 million or better AF speed on a microlevel, which you can not see or feel?

If I look at the huge choice among all brands and the L-Mount body and lens choice in particular, there are not many gaps left to fill.

If each year 6-10 new lenses are introduced and the long awaited successor bodies come plus one smaller entry level body, then 2025 and 2026 will fill all gaps missing.
I think any camera introduced since about 2018 will deliver 99% of what 99% of photographers need. GAS didn’t stop in 2018 and it won’t stop in 2025. It won’t stop because people like new gizmos and there is an industry to deliver the new gizmos. It’s called consumerism/capitalism.
 
Would it be possible to use a dummy battery and a V battery with a V-Mount plate?
Yes I think it would, but I would be missing the PDAF, but to be honest that would not be a problem in the settings I would use it.
John, if you use the S5 OG with the Blackmagic video assist 12g you don't have the 30 min time limit, right?
True...

Reading it in this way I would not need another S5IIX.

I do wonder if the videoassist can record in 6K though, that is what I often use if I want to crop in later on during edit.

But thanks for your comments, they are very useful. I have tho thinks these over.
 
Attention: A7cR has around 2 stops less IBIS than A7RV and an EVF you do not want to have ;)
I think that is nonsense, too much made of the EVF.. in practise it's perfectly fine and the IBIS is one stop less than A7RV - should own up now, I use both. CIPA 7 Stops A7CR
CIPA 8 stops A7RV.
 
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Then I mixed that up with the A7c.

Paul uses the S1R with 5.7 MP. I watched the review on youtube from Ted Forbes and he said that you have not only less resolution compared to the A7RV but also a kind of tunnel view. Somehow Sony has to protect the A7RV I guess.
 
Then I mixed that up with the A7c.

Paul uses the S1R with 5.7 MP. I watched the review on youtube from Ted Forbes and he said that you have not only less resolution compared to the A7RV but also a kind of tunnel view. Somehow Sony has to protect the A7RV I guess.
I'm not sure the choice of EVF in the A7C/CR/C2 line has anything to do with protecting the A7RV, it's just about design and keeping it small and rangefinder style, and Sony also realise many will add one of the smaller bodies to their A7RV or whatever, for travel and EDC. The Leica CL that I really enjoyed using for more than 5 years was a lovely small body with a nice EVF, but that added a hump to the design and of course didn't come with all the bells and whistles of the Sony bodies IBIS FF etc, then of course there's the FpL, lovely design but no EVF at all, and then Panasonic S9, again no EVF, not even very small. All about compromises.
 
I'm not sure the choice of EVF in the A7C/CR/C2 line has anything to do with protecting the A7RV, it's just about design and keeping it small and rangefinder style, and Sony also realise many will add one of the smaller bodies to their A7RV or whatever, for travel and EDC. The Leica CL that I really enjoyed using for more than 5 years was a lovely small body with a nice EVF, but that added a hump to the design and of course didn't come with all the bells and whistles of the Sony bodies IBIS FF etc, then of course there's the FpL, lovely design but no EVF at all, and then Panasonic S9, again no EVF, not even very small. All about compromises.
I agree that it’s probably more about design compromise than product positioning. Sony’s A7Cii/A7CR is actually slightly smaller than the S9 except in depth where it’s 13mm deeper. And yet they squeezed in an EVF. The magnification will certainly be dictated by the space available and from all accounts the A7C is definitely a step down from the full-sized A7 bodies, but still very useable.
 
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Attention: A7cR has around 2 stops less IBIS than A7RV and an EVF you do not want to have
Sony has a secret weapon you can use instead of IBIS for stability with video. Instead of IBIS the gyro data is recorded and used in post processing to stabilize the video. I use this with both my A1 and my a6700 and get excellent results.
 
The last kind of gear I bought was the Sigma 28-70/2.8 in November 2022 (if I don't count cheap stuff like wrapping cloth). So almost two years ago. In the past I bought something more frequently. I just always ask my self, what can the new lens or camera do for me. Would it fill a purpose I don't have already covered, and want to cover? Is there something what would prevent me to use it? And of course, the higher prices in L-Mount compared to m43 and Canon DSLR, what I was shooting in the past, makes it easier to not buy despite it.

In fact I'm happy with my original S5 and my lenses. Even the AF-C is fine for what I'm doing. The only thing I'm thinking is the 100/2.8 macro and maybe the S9. But the macro would mostly make ses If I would replace the 85/1.8 and/or the 70-300 macro with it. But I like tham both. For the S9, I also would need smaller lenses.
 
Sony has a secret weapon you can use instead of IBIS for stability with video. Instead of IBIS the gyro data is recorded and used in post processing to stabilize the video. I use this with both my A1 and my a6700 and get excellent results.
Depends on the shutter angle (or shutter speed on a Sony mirrorless) how sharp the video is though I presume?
 
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