What is Lumix working on?

[Miki]

Ok, Lumix, can you please make one like this?



But with IBIS, please...

Yes, please ... with fixed 40mm F2 Pana-Leica lens, 24MP sensor, tilt screen, higher resolution, eye-glass friendly EVF, and no IBIS!
No point to have a IBIS in such a small package.
Removable lens makes sense, if one wants to clean sensor, or to put on another small prime lens, or pancake.

 

[Markuswelder]

Yes, please ... with fixed 40mm F2 Pana-Leica lens, 24MP sensor, tilt screen, higher resolution, eye-glass friendly EVF, and no IBIS!
No point to have a IBIS in such a small package.
Removable lens makes sense, if one wants to clean sensor, or to put on another small prime lens, or pancake.

I really like 40mm. I use the Canon EF 40mm f2.8 pancake on an adaptor with my S5 quite a bit. But, as a fixed lens camera? I think that's a little bit tight, and may potentially scare off a large number of prospective purchasers. Somewhere between 30-35mm might possibly appeal more. Especially if the S1RII sensor was used, giving a bit of crop wiggle room

 

[Miki]

Somewhere between 30-35mm might possibly appeal more.

Commercially, yes. These days, the most people don't realize, that 40mm is the sweetest FL of all.
It captures natural to an eye compression. It feels naturally appealing
In the past, manufactures used to make compacts with 40mm.
For me, 40mm in the best all around to take everywhere FL.
35mm is too wide, and 50mm is too tight.
I seldom crop images. As I don't like the look of cropped images.
It doesn't hurt much to just crop a little.
I pay a lot of attention to proper framing.

Heavy cropping comes handy in sports, and wildlife.
I can understand that.
I don't do those.

If, standard zoom feels too big, and heavy to carry around all day ... the 40mm is the best alternative.
Fujifilm knows that. That's why they don't want to make a good one. They've came out with just one lousy, sub-standard XF 28mm/2.8 pancake for crop sensor.

 

[pdk42]

Yes, please ... with fixed 40mm F2 Pana-Leica lens, 24MP sensor, tilt screen, higher resolution, eye-glass friendly EVF, and no IBIS!
No point to have a IBIS in such a small package.
Removable lens makes sense, if one wants to clean sensor, or to put on another small prime lens, or pancake.

IBIS is a game changer for both photography and videography. Why omit it? The S9 shows it needn’t make the camera too big.

 

[Quentinquirelino]

Yes, please ... with fixed 40mm F2 Pana-Leica lens, 24MP sensor, tilt screen, higher resolution, eye-glass friendly EVF, and no IBIS!
No point to have a IBIS in such a small package.
Removable lens makes sense, if one wants to clean sensor, or to put on another small prime lens, or pancake.

I don't think Panasonic will make a competition to the Leica Q3 and Q3 43. As far I know Panasonic is holding the patents on the lens of both and the Qs has been rumored to be essentially Panasonic hardware with Leica software and finishing, since the OG Q. The Qs are selling pretty good, even with Leica price tag and I think Panasonic is getting it's share from the sales.

But I could assume that Leica could release a 24 Mpix version of it with the well known sensor from the S5II, SL3-S and S1IIE. If the market is big enough.

Only if the market is becoming really big, and competitors like Sony hugely undercut the Leica prices, than it could be possible that Panasonic would enter the market. But I don't think that will be the case. The RX1riii isn't that much cheaper and it's not technically advanced compared to the Q3.

 

[Markuswelder]

Commercially, yes. These days, the most people don't realize, that 40mm is the sweetest FL of all.

Yeah, but Panasonic has shown in the past, they're really only interested in making stuff that's commercially viable. If it's not, it disappears from their product line. In saying that, they have thrown out the odd outlier in the past, just to test/gauge the market. The GX8 springs to mind. But it was not to be repeated, just cheaper, dumbed down versions, because that's all the market was willing to pay.

 

[Miki]

IBIS is a game changer for both photography and videography. Why omit it? The S9 shows it needn’t make the camera too big.

S9 has no EVF. That's why it's not that big.
With EVF, and no IBIS, a cam would be smaller, and lighter.

 

[pdk42]

S9 has no EVF. That's why it's not that big.
With EVF, and no IBIS, a cam would be smaller, and lighter.

If such a camera was launched (no IBIS) then I wouldn't buy it. Sony's A7C shows it's possible to have both IBIS & EVF in a small package.

 

[RuleOfThirds]

If such a camera was launched (no IBIS) then I wouldn't buy it. Sony's A7C shows it's possible to have both IBIS & EVF in a small package.

And look how they got ibis inside of the GR3… ok smaller sensor. But still

 

[GeorgeHudetz]

If such a camera was launched (no IBIS) then I wouldn't buy it. Sony's A7C shows it's possible to have both IBIS & EVF in a small package.

The vein of distrust of IBIS is apparently still alive and well in the photo community. I remember 6-7 years ago when Fuji claimed they would never put IBIS in an X-T body because it was physically impossible to fit in the XT bodies. That announcement was celebrated by some in the Fuji community. There are folks that just don't like it. But we now know that it is possible to get IBIS in small bodies, and that it can be incredibly useful.

I agree with you - I'd absolutely want IBIS in such a camera. But then, I'm happy all my cars (and everyone else's cars!) have ABS, so there you go.

 

[xaviergut]

Please, correct me if I am wrong, but I am afraid that it can be more challenging to take pictures in low-light situations with a full-frame camera that has a 61MP resolution and no IBIS. Any subtle camera shake or focusing errors are magnified and much more noticeable when viewing the image at 100% or printing larger, right? And it seems that the Sony RX1Riii has not lens stabilization. So, what is the point of a very small compact camera if you need a tripod in low light situations?

I don't get it, really. The same happens with the Fujifilm medium format GFX100RF: 100mpx and a slow f/4 Lens without IBIS for more than €5.000. I don't know...

Am I missing something here? Some kind of marketing trend or hype?