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Samyang revival

Nevyn72

Nevyn72

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The longer zoom lenses look huge... and still no high quality, small 28mm FFL with AF for L-Mount available, no matter from which brand. Z04 Motzer

Same with a small & light 70-200/3.5-4.5.
 
But 100% sure are just the first two, right? I mean the UWA and the 24-60mm f/2.8...

The other two are "likely to be available too" :(

I don't know... Pizinni"s hit rate is now at 50% after the disappointment of the DJI mirrorles full frame camera.

What Samyang should do, imho, is a L - mount version of the AF pancake trio called "Remaster Slim", with the 21, 28 and 32mm in full frame for the Lumix S9 for 200€:

samyangus.com

Samyang Remaster Slim 3 Lens System •21mm •28mm •32mm (Sony FE)

Introducing Samyang's Remaster Slim—the ultimate lens for photographers who want versatility without the bulk. Inspired by classic point-and-shoot cameras, this compact lens offers the flexibility of three focal lengths—21mm F3.5, 28mm F3.5, and 32mm F2.8—all in one lightweight system. With its...
samyangus.com samyangus.com
 
Well if Samyang are finally releasing more lenses in L-mount then that's good news, even if none of them are designs that the system is crying out for. In my opinion they have missed the opportunity to establish themselves well in the alliance before Viltrox, Meike and TTArtisans take over the lower end. Still, none of those Chinese brands is offering zooms, which it looks like Samyang will.
 
According to L-rumours there are also a new 60-180/2.8 and 28-135/2.8 which are likely to come to the L-mount later (I don't know what the logic of this likelihood is as logically Samyang would have brought a whole slew of lenses to the L-mount by now, but that hasn't happened). Both of these lenses are very large, as you can imagine, and I'm sure they'll be very heavy too.
 
I presume that Samyang still thought that the L-mount market was still to small.

The new camera's (S1rii, S1ii, S1e) might be changing this. And ofcourse more and more BMD camera's are L-mount. Also a DJI camera is still rumored to be coming - that would change the whole ball game.

Leica is to small in volumes for them, and Sigma doesn't have recent new camera's with huge sales - but we never know what is coming ofcourse.

But perhaps they only bring their zooms - and let the primes for Viltrox and the unofficial L-mount chinese brands - that would make sense in a way
 
Jonathan-Mac said:
Both of these lenses are very large, as you can imagine, and I'm sure they'll be very heavy too
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Exactly. I think L-Mount has enough lens offerings from Leica, Panasonic and Sigma for big and heavy lenses. The most recent ones are the 200/2.0 and 135/1.4, the latter 300g heavier than its predecessor, despite the fact that it is a totally new design for MLU only and not for DSLRs.

I hope that the L-Mount alliance does not make the same mistake like MFT and Fuji and Nikon (APS-C). People do not want to have big lenses, if it is not mandatory required.

The whole point of MFT & APS-C sensor based systems is to have smaller lenses and smaller bodies. If you ignore this, people will pick in the long run the next bigger sensor format, because they get the same size and weight with a better image quality. No downside, only upside to switch to bigger formats.

Same goes on for fullframe. Medium Format becomes cheaper and lighter every year. With 100MP sensors and their cropping capabilities you can easily replace many lenses above 50mm (in FF terms).

I see this already with my Leica Q3 43 and its 60MP sensor. I just do not need a FFL between 50mm and 90mm anymore. It is more convenient to crop than to change lenses.

Therefore if the LMount alliance does not pay attention to this and does not offer more small lenses, they will loose old customers and new potential customers in the long run.
 
If Samyang stick to providing zooms, which the Chinese brands have not yet done, then that would be a good thing and fill a gap in the lens range IF those lenses are not too big and heavy. Everything seems to need to be f/2.8 or f/4 constant these days - why? It's perfectly possible to make a variable-aperture zoom that's good quality, sharp wide open and smaller and lighter than it would be if it had a constant maximum aperture through the zoom range. I saw 28-135mm and thought "Great!", then I saw it was constant f/2.8 and gigantic.
 
Jonathan-Mac said:
if Samyang are finally releasing more lenses in L-mount then that's good news,
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Or bad news

Das Samyang AF 24–60mm F2.8 FE ist ab Ende Oktober 2025 bei autorisierten Samyang-Händlern in Deutschland und Österreich erhältlich. Der unverbindliche Verkaufspreis liegt bei 749,99 Euro.

The Schneider Kreuznach 24-60mm lens manufactured by Samyang will be 250 euros cheaper than the Lumix 24-60mm lens. The L mount (Leica mount) is now purely Leica, but Schneider-Kreuznach will also take part in it indirectly. This will undermine Panasomic's position and profitability. Samyang will produce their lenses in more mounts, whereas Panasonic produces solely L mount (FF) lenses. Don't forget that Leica and Schneider-Kreuznach have a good reputation for lensmaking. So it will be harder for Panasonic to show their "superiority' as to lensmaking, especially when Panasonic lenses are more expensive than the Scheider-Kreuznach lenses.
 
Then Panasonic has to try harder to find their niche with good proftability ;)

It is called free market and competition. This is good for us. Maybe Panasonic gets suddenly the idea to offer a 28/1.8 FFL? or offer smaller bodies for the MFT system or modern lens design for MFT? Who knows... But if there is no competition, there is no need for Panasonic to improve their product lines.

We have seen this with MFT. We have seen this with Sony/Minolta mount. Even Sony improved their lens line up dramatically over the last 10 years.
 
Hythloday said:
So it will be harder for Panasonic to show their "superiority' as to lensmaking, especially when Panasonic lenses are more expensive than the Scheider-Kreuznach lenses.
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Indeed, it will be very interesting to compare this two lenses in order to see which one is faster to focus, has no focus breathing, is better as parfocal lens, has less distorsion, has a de-clicabke Ring and an extra button, is smaller or heavier, etc., etc.

The Lumix lenses are optimized for video, I don't know about the Schneider-Kreuznach. But 250€ cheaper sounds tempting...
 
That will put it around €750 where it will compete more with Sigma's 28-70/2.8 in price.

Don't forget that there are many people who insist on having the brand of their lens match the brand of their camera - even when Canon only had the EF mount and there was competition there were many people who would stick their noses up about having a non-Canon lens on a Canon DSLR. Obviously this proportion is larger in Canon-land but with Lumix I'm sure there are many too. I would be surprised if the LK-SY-SK lens doesn't have some negative compared to the Lumix - slightly poorer IQ, no weather sealing, a slower focus motor, a longer minimum focus distance - something. Competition is good.
 
dirk said:
It is called free market and competition. This is good for us.
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Panasonic has a marketshare of about 3%. If their marketshare goes to 2%, it might go the Samsung way and disappear from the market. It is good to have competition if a brand has a large marketshare, but not if the marketshare may go down. Schneider-Kreuznach has a better reputation than Panasonic as to lensmaking. Panasonic is supposed to increase their marketshare. Now the camera division will have to do it, not the lens division with a competitor like Schneider-Kreuznach.

Leica might profit from this because Leica owners can buy a cheap Schneider-Kreuznach lens instead of an expensive rebadged Sigma lens carrying the name of Leica.
 
Hythloday said:
If their marketshare goes to 2%, it might go the Samsung way and disappear from the market.
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I do not think so. Panasonic would stay even with 2% in business, because Leica needs them. I am sure that Panasonic can finance its R&D with the L2 agreement alone. Leica will not allow Panasonic to quit. They will rather pay Panasonic even more for their R&D. Leica can not do this alone.

Do neither underestimate Sigma. When they had the press conference at Photokina 2018 while announcing the L-Mount alliance, Kazuto Yamaki (owner of Sigma) said that they wanted to develop a fullframe camera anyway. So, why not saving costs by using an already established lens mount?

Last summer, Kazuto Yamaki said in an youtube interview with Petapixel while talking about the new wildlife/sport lens and BF, that his dream is to offer a body which would be a good match for that tele lens.

But please Sigma, give us a 28/2.0 i-series first!
 
Here is a quite positive review of the Sony E-Mount version of the Samyang Schneider-Kreuznach 14-24mm f2.8 made by Dustin Abbott.

dustinabbott.net

Schneider-Kreuznach x LK Samyang 14-24mm F2.8 FE Review - DustinAbbott.net

Photographer Dustin Abbott shares a thorough, real world review of the Schneider-Kreuznach x LK Samyang 14-24mm F2.8 FE wide angle zoom lens
dustinabbott.net dustinabbott.net

"The Schneider-Kreuznach x Samyang 14-24mm F2.8 FE is a genuine improvement on this challenging zoom range for anyone who values portability".

The only negative thing for me is that does not appear to be parfocal: "The lens doesn't seem to be parfocal, however, so it will have to readjust focus as you zoom in and out".

Let's wait and see how it is with the L-mount version of this 14-24mm f2.8 and the 24-60mm f2.8.
 
Quote of that review:

"The LK Samyang 14-24 is compact and lightweight (445g), can use traditional filters (77mm), and is considerably less expensive at $1200 USD"

445g looks very interesting.
 
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