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Post here if you've ordered an S1Rii

pdk42

pdk42

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I'm keen to see who is going to get the S1Rii. Post here if you've pressed the button, and why !
 
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I just did a pre-order. In my case it will replace my Sony A1. Also it will be a big brother for my GH7.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Done. Not 100% convinced that I will follow through, but overall it seems like a home run.
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My main reasoning for ordering an S1RII: I want a single body that can do hi-resolution landscape, wildlife that moves (for which the hi-res sensor is also useful), and astro.

Secondary reasoning: Better shadow recovery than the S1R, and all the bells & whistles of the new body & app.

What would cause me to cancel the pre-order: Do I want 60 MP more than I want speed? Do I want to switch to MF?

Also: If I convert either my S1 or S5 to full-spectrum for astro, that eliminates one of the reasons for buying the SR1II, since I would then not use it for astro. In that case, do I just accept the AF limitations of my existing S1R for wildlife, and drop the pre-order for the S1RII?
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
My main reasoning for ordering an S1RII: I want a single body that can do hi-resolution landscape, wildlife that moves (for which the hi-res sensor is also useful), and astro.

Secondary reasoning: Better shadow recovery than the S1R, and all the bells & whistles of the new body & app.

What would cause me to cancel the pre-order: Do I want 60 MP more than I want speed? Do I want to switch to MF?

Also: If I convert either my S1 or S5 to full-spectrum for astro, that eliminates one of the reasons for buying the SR1II, since I would then not use it for astro. In that case, do I just accept the AF limitations of my existing S1R for wildlife, and drop the pre-order for the S1RII?
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That all makes sense George. Have you had the chance to look at any raws yet? I guess the shadow recovery should be better, but it would be good to know for sure.
 
pdk42 said:
That all makes sense George. Have you had the chance to look at any raws yet? I guess the shadow recovery should be better, but it would be good to know for sure.
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Not yet - it's the workday for me right now - but I did look at part of Richard Wong's video and it looks pretty good so far.

Another question for me is - how good are the electronic shutter exposures for fast moving pans and/or subjects for stills? Is there noticeably more rolling shutter effect than, say, the Z8?
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Not yet - it's the workday for me right now - but I did look at part of Richard Wong's video and it looks pretty good so far.

Another question for me is - how good are the electronic shutter exposures for fast moving pans and/or subjects for stills? Is there noticeably more rolling shutter effect than, say, the Z8?
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Our "friend" Gerald Undone is very critical about the rolling shutter...
 
xaviergut said:
Our "friend" Gerald Undone is very critical about the rolling shutter...
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For stills use, just use the mech shutter. Problem fixed. I can't comment on whether this is an issue or not for video.
 
pdk42 said:
For stills use, just use the mech shutter. Problem fixed. I can't comment on whether this is an issue or not for video.
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Problem there is that the pre-capture and faster burst rates require ES.

But yes, according to Richard's video, it can do 9 fps (14 bit) or 10 fps (12 bit) blackout-free with the mechanical shutter, but not pre-capture. If I interpret his table correctly.
 
xaviergut said:
Our "friend" Gerald Undone is very critical about the rolling shutter...
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I watched that review. He is video focused. No normal human beeing is using electronic shutter in normal photography. If you do not get the right moment i.e. in sport with 10fps or even 9 fps and mechanical shutter, you should learn the sport first.

Gerald explains what he likes more with other cameras, which have a stacked sensor. But he also sais that this comes at a price. Are you willing to pay 1.000 USD more, if you will not see the differences in real life?

I found his review well balanced and good for the S1Rii.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Another question for me is - how good are the electronic shutter exposures for fast moving pans and/or subjects for stills? Is there noticeably more rolling shutter effect than, say, the Z8?
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Yes. Look at Gerald's review.
 
dirk said:
No normal human beeing is using electronic shutter in normal photography.
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It's pretty much all I ever use !! But landscapes don't move too much!
 
xaviergut said:
Our "friend" Gerald Undone is very critical about the rolling shutter...
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Thanks for pointing that out.

I am similarly conflicted. With the S1RII, I get neither the higher resolution of the 60 MP sensor, nor the low rolling shutter of a stacked sensor.

On that last point, I'm still waiting to see how the slower sensor manifests in stills (Gerald and Richard focused on video). Perhaps it's less important than in video; not sure.

Gerald was bullish on the S1RII being a good "stills first" body, which is good for me, but, again, can I rely on ES for fast-moving situations?

I do like his point about this pointing out exactly how good a future body would be, with this feature set and a stacked sensor. I may end up waiting for that. Yet again.

I think the final decision for me will boil down to how good (or bad) ES stills images are.
 
dirk said:
For which situation do you use ES?
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Take a look at Richard's video. He shows a matrix of the various drive modes and how they relate to the shutter type.

ES is necessary for both pre-capture, and the 40 fps drive mode. Mechanical shutter is limited to 9 or 10 fps & no pre-capture.

Not everyone cares about 40 fps or pre-capture, but I do. And if using those modes increases the risk of an unusable exposure, then I wouldn't use them, which in turn reduces the appeal of spending all that money on a new body.
 
pdk42 said:
.... Have you had the chance to look at any raws yet? I guess the shadow recovery should be better, but it would be good to know for sure.
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Richard Wong's review addresses this very issue, as he examines the shadow recovery in the RAW files, comparing the S1rII to the original S1r, the S5ii, and a 60mp Sony (all downsized to 24mp). The S1rII is nearly as good as the S5ii, is somewhat better than the 60mp Sony, and is much better than the original S1r. You can have a quick look at the results from his most extreme test at 27:11 in his video. This is a remarkable performance for a high-resolution sensor!
 
dirk said:
Why? [do I use electronic shutter]
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Well, most things I photograph don't move so I have no concerns about readout speed. But I do care about potential shutter shock, so why not use ES?
 
Andreas said:
Richard Wong's review addresses this very issue, as he examines the shadow recovery in the RAW files, comparing the S1rII to the original S1r, the S5ii, and a 60mp Sony (all downsized to 24mp). The S1rII is nearly as good as the S5ii, is somewhat better than the 60mp Sony, and is much better than the original S1r. You can have a quick look at the results from his most extreme test at 27:11 in his video. This is a remarkable performance for a high-resolution sensor!
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Yes, I've just looked at that now. I'm convinced!
 
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