Quentinquirelino
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No, the SL3-S is basically a S5II in a fancy body with better EVF and better display.
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Lumix S1Rii from the perspective of a S5ii owner
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GeorgeHudetz
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The recent interview with the head of LUMIX made it sound like there currently are not strong ties between Leica & Panasonic from a body design perspective, and the differences between the SL3 & S1R II certainly bear that out. So I don't expect future LUMIX bodies to "alternative versions" of Leica bodies (or vice-versa) like they used to be.
GeorgeHudetz
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I wonder if an "S1R IIx" could move to a fully stacked hi-res sensor & a larger buffer. Theoretically, it could both serve as a pro sports and cine cam. They'd still need to deal with the thermal issues, however.
xaviergut
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I don't believe the rumors from Andrea Pizzini anymore... he was seriously announcing a cinematic Lumix FX3... and now 2 FF cameras are coming? Really? It could be that the second camera is just a m43 LX100iii.
As Paul said, this rumors make no sense. Where is the S1Hii? This is the camera that could bring people to the L-mount system.
As Paul said, this rumors make no sense. Where is the S1Hii? This is the camera that could bring people to the L-mount system.
Quentinquirelino
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Well, if it's close to the release date, he is mostly right. With more distance to the release, not so much.
Coming back to the original thread title:
I think the grip of the S1Rii is slightly better, because it is slighty deeper, BUT the body of the S1Rii is deeper too and this I do not like or I am not used to it yet.
This could make it more difficult to hold it long term or with larger lenses. I guess this is the price you have to pay with the heat mangement of a 44MP sensor. Overall, I prefer the size of the S5ii body, just because it is not as deep. The S1Rii feels more like a "brick", the S5ii feels more "elegant".
The tilting screen of the S1Rii is really nice by the way...
I think the grip of the S1Rii is slightly better, because it is slighty deeper, BUT the body of the S1Rii is deeper too and this I do not like or I am not used to it yet.
This could make it more difficult to hold it long term or with larger lenses. I guess this is the price you have to pay with the heat mangement of a 44MP sensor. Overall, I prefer the size of the S5ii body, just because it is not as deep. The S1Rii feels more like a "brick", the S5ii feels more "elegant".
The tilting screen of the S1Rii is really nice by the way...
Pete_W
LMF-Patron
You are making the sirens start up with this comment!
You are making the sirens start up with this comment!
Make sure you can take the body in your hand for more than 5 minutes, before you buy (or have an option to send it back). The thickness of the S1Rii body is not appearant within the first minutes. But if you go back and forth between the S5ii and the S1Rii for a longer period of time, you will feel more and more the difference.
I have rather small hands. This thickness bothers me more than I thought. Time wil tell...
CharlesH
LMF-Patron Gold
I have been using the S1RM2 a lot and have not noticed any handling issue. I'd say my hands are not small and not large, sort of in-between. For the larger lenses it seems better to hold than the S5II.
Markuswelder
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I don't believe rumors, full stop. Because that's all they are. People gossiping, trying to get noticed. I was raised by my parents to not engage in such behavior, so I take very little notice of them.
As someone with "normal-sized" hands (I guess?) I find the S1Rii not more or less comfortable to hold than the S5ii. Having operated it intensely over two days (16 hours of handheld stills shooting in total) I really couldn't tell much of a difference. I was thinking the deeper grip would make a difference but it doesn't. Or maybe it's deeper grip/thicker body outbalancing each other and that's why I don't really notice a difference.
I found the S1R more comfortable than any other camera I've ever held but that's probably down to size and weight and me not minding holding a brick. Then again, I use the S9 without a grip so maybe I got alien hands.
I found the S1R more comfortable than any other camera I've ever held but that's probably down to size and weight and me not minding holding a brick. Then again, I use the S9 without a grip so maybe I got alien hands.
Just to extend my impressions after one more month:Had my S1Rii for a few weeks now but I only got to test it out over the last two days, taking around 2000 shots.
Pros:
- It's Panasonic, so stuff like colour science etc. is top notch - as expected. I had 0 complaints about the pictures that came out and, compared to my S5II, I like the results from my S1RII even more - but that might be new gear excitement bias.
- It's fast! And it's even easier to use. I am very happy with the improvements in terms of menu handling, making it imo even easier to work with.
- Focus is noticeably improved. I had some situations where focus on my S5II just wasn't hitting. Mostly people wearing wigs where one eye is closed. The S5II often refused to work with one eye hidden and reverted to different focus modes, but it did result in a few misses here and there. The S1RII accepts people whose hairstyles hide one eye! (That sounds ridiculous but it's a big win for me... I was half thinking of getting one of my japanese friends to help me draft a letter so I can request Panasonic to fix that for me)
- Love the new video options. 120fps in 4K is great, but I also like having so many options available that are cropless/almost cropless. It really makes the S1RII work much better as a hybrid. With the S5II i had to pack more lenses than I'd want to because depending on what I wanted to shoot/film I had to plan accordingly if the crop is going to force me to use a different lens to get an equivalent field of view.
- We can tether now. Finally.
Cons:
- I hate the second record button. I keep accidentally touching it! So I put something else other than record on it in stills mode just to notice that it also starts a recording in picture playback mode!! I think I ended up taking around 10, 20 clips before I finally got fed up and assigned the button to something else in playback mode, too. Maybe this is a case of me "holding it wrong", but at least I got the issue remedied.
- Focus is lying to me
- No auto review with tether. I guess it's a limitation due to tethering? Either way, I can either tether and put the images on the "big screen" for the model to look at/for advanced pixel peeping OR I can not tether and get an immediate preview. As a photographer, I prefer the latter... but I also like tethering. Hopefully if this is not a tether limitation, it can be fixed in a future firmware update.
- I have no CFexpress card
Overall, I am very, very happy with the S1RII. Again, a bit of new gear excitement is included here. But I can see clear improvement in almost all areas relevant to me with the S1RII. And knowing Panasonic, firmware updates will make the camera even better in the future. Number one on my wishlist: binned pictures ala Leica SL3 because 44 MP is a lot! (Written while waiting for Lightroom to sync 2000 pictures over hotel wifi...)
- CFexpress really makes burst shooting much better. Previously, I literally had to wait a minute or so before I could check if I got the shot. Now, it's a breeze.
- This thing needs batteries. A lot of them. On my S5II I'd be able to go through a shooting in a studio setting (typically around 8 hours with maybe 4 - 5 hours of taking pictures and shooting video) with two batteries. I'd have to replace my first battery after around 5, 6 hours and would go out with a half-full second battery. With the S1RII I actually ended up having to scramble a bit because 2 batteries were not enough and the last half hour or so was definitely interesting with the red blinking battery indicator... those CIPA numbers indicating
- Colours are plain fantastic. Best I've ever seen out of a Lumix camera. I never leave a shooting not absolutely chuffed with the quality the camera has put out. I'd be really interested to see more side by sides of the S1II / S1RII to see if the S1II might be even better or if the S1RII is the best Lumix (for colours/IQ) Pana has ever built.
- Ergonomics are so good - the more I hold the camera the more I like it. Still not as good as the S1R because I love lugging bricks but definitely getting close.
- App support has gotten much better. Lumix Lab works like a charm and it actually connects quickly (3rd time is the charm, I guess, after the pain of using Lumix Sync and Panasonic Image App). Lumix Flow is actually pretty useful and I've used it for some of the short videos I shoot and I was pretty happy with it.
So for me, this camera was definitely worth it. I am patiently waiting for the firmware update, which will make the camera even better.
But looking back at the S5II, it always felt like a "making compromises" camera. There were things I was definitely jealous of that other brands were doing - but Panasonic was so good in some fields that the scales were always finely balanced.
With the S1RII, I don't feel like I am making any compromises. I have everything I need and even when I look at other cameras on the market, I don't see any major features missing or being done significantly better at other brands. I know, the AF could still be better, but as a portrait shooter I was never having many issues with DFD anyway and as for video, the S1RII is doing great with my subjects.
Either way, the S1RII is fantastic and I can't wait to take more pictures using it!
I agree. But maybe it is also my settings. I have 120Hz EVF enabled and with all the tracking features for sports photography, this is a bigger burden than with my S5II. Maybe the CFexpress card is also a driver for the battery-eating. I read that somewhere on the internet. But the speed advantage over SD card is worth it for sports photography. For travel/family/portraits I could easily live with the SD card on my S1Rii.
100% agree. Before the S1Rii, I always wanted to keep my Nikon or Fuji X or MFT system for sports and travel and special scenarios. Now that the S1Rii is so good for my kind of sports photography (field hockey), there is no reason for Nikon, Fuji X and one reason less for MFT for me. Nikon is gone, Fuji on sale and MFT is at risk to become obsolete for my use cases too - if more small lenses are coming in L-Mount.