Lumix S1Rii from the perspective of a S5ii owner

[dirk]

That is an interesting idea. Food for thought. But I very seldom shoot at F8.

Here is a shot with the Leica Q3 43. Only Lighroom 6. Jpeg ooc.

F2.0 and 200% crop. The AF was on the eyes, so not exactly the Polo logo on the baseballcap.

For a 43mm lens @F2.0 this is very impressive. 200% is huge. It is difficult to adjust to "normal" lenses, if you can crop so much with such a lens.

 

[GeorgeHudetz]

Wow! Amazing detail. You are NOT helping me resist my temptation to get a Leica APO lens. Or, for that matter, a Q3.

But yes, I completely understand that if that's the kind of detail you are after, the 28-200 Will Not Do. And, particularly since you like to shoot wider apertures.

Cheers.

 

[dirk]

Wow! Amazing detail. You are NOT helping me resist my temptation to get a Leica APO lens. Or, for that matter, a Q3.

The forum software makes the image quality of that screenshot slightly worse. Generally I do not need that much detail. But this helps a lot, if you only have one lens and need to crop a lot. This is why I bought the Leica Q3 43. With that lens quality, I can replace focal ranges up to 90mm just with cropping the image. Depending on the output maybe even more.

As far as I remember, the Leica Q3 with 28mm was not that good. But I would need to test that more. I sold it immediately again, because I was not that much impressed with the 28mm.

The Sigma 28-70/2.8 DG DN is also very good. Of course not as good as a FFL, but at 70mm I am really impressed. The wideangle is not as good as the 70mm with my item, but "good enough".

The Sigma 50/2.0 DG DN comes close to the Leica 43mm. Maybe it is as good as the Leica. I need a 60MP sensor to compare it better. I only have 24MP.

 

[GeorgeHudetz]

Time for an SL3!

 

[dirk]

Time for an SL3!

a) too expensive
b) I do not like the body design

 

[PhotoPete]

I sold my S5ii and bought S1Rii. What I like most:

-40 Mb sensor and the availability to crop more.
-Tilting LCD
-Dial for photo/video/S&Q. Easier with the settings
-Lock lever. I use it to lock the LCD and avoid nose focus.
-Shutter Close Mechanism. Keeps the sensor clean
-Faster cold startup time. Big difference.
-Better EVF

I bought also the 24-105 lens which I like a lot.
One point was that it is good to have the "latest". Maybe Panasonic puts more effort on future firmware with its flagship(?).

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[dirk]

-40 Mb sensor and the availability to crop more.

That would be good for me for sport photography. Sometimes even 400mm is not enough. But there is no pixel binning feature for the times when you do not need 40MP ...

Tilting LCD

Same here. I miss that on my S5ii

Better EVF

Big selling point.

Maybe Panasonic puts more effort on future firmware with its flagship(?).

Very likely, especially if it is a next generation processor (we do not know this for sure with the S1Rii)

I think we can expect less model iterations with all brands over the coming years. The improvements have to be significant enough, to justify an upgrade for the consumer. I expect new iterations of an older model only every 4-6 years in the future. This is good for us, because the gear holds longer its value.

I am running in circles. I can not decide....

 

[PhotoPete]

I forgot to mention that the camera feels better in the hand due to deeper grip. Also my jpegs look somehow nicer; not as cold, hard and with warmer tones. I know these things can be tuned with LUTs but I never found a good setting on S5ii (I am using the "standard" photo style in S1Rii). I also found the "Leica Monochrome" -style which is nice in street photography and forest walks.

 

[dirk]

I was thinking back and forth today after the experience of Saturday with sports photography.

There have been a few things which bothered me while shooting with the S5ii (I use normally MFT for field hockey) yesterday.

Then I read again the thread here.

Burst speed is 10fps with AFC. for S1RII vs 7fps for S5II

I could have benefitted from higher fps with mechanical shutter yesterday. Maybe I only had a bad day, but I missed some scenes which happened exactly when fps was not high enough to get the best framing inbetween.

Better AF for tracking and improved subject detection

I did not figure out, how to improve it like it was described in the S1Rii autofocus tracking thread.

Constant Preview - M mode half click won't change exposure (this is probably a big one for those who shoot in M mode regularly)

I shoot almost always in M mode. I was not aware that this is different with the S1Rii.

At the same time my hope for a 24MP L-Mount RF style camera shrank dramatically with the whole tarriff desaster.

I do think, that most brands will put new products on hold as long as there is uncertaincy about tarriffs and consumer behaviour. This will last at least til July (the 90 day freeze).

These arguments plus the hope that Panasonic will improve the AF of the S1Rii over the next 2 years with firmware updates, convinced me to push the buy button. I ordered a Lumix S1Rii and hope to get it at the end of this week.

I am guilty. I am weak. The sirenes have been too loud. Time will tell whether this was the right decision for an "anti-40MP" photo only person.

P.S: Maybe they will introduce one day the pixel binning feature of the Leica cameras also to the S1Rii? This L2 cooperation shall not be an one-way road only. This would push the S1Rii in a more positive direction for my use cases. Hope dies last...

 

[Pete_W]

These arguments plus the hope that Panasonic will improve the AF of the S1Rii over the next 2 years with firmware updates, convinced me to push the buy button. I ordered a Lumix S1Rii and hope to get it at the end of this week.

I am guilty. I am weak. The sirenes have been too loud. Time will tell whether this was the right decision for an "anti-40MP" photo only person.

P.S: Maybe they will introduce one day the pixel binning feature of the Leica cameras also to the S1Rii? This L2 cooperation shall not be an one-way road only. This would push the S1Rii in a more positive direction for my use cases. Hope dies last...

Ha ha! Way to go Dirk! I hope you enjoy the new camera.

Those sirens haven't reached my ears yet. The price is rather high here in Australia although I've noticed that it has dropped already from the AUD $5,499 RRP to $4,908 at a few stores. The AUD currency has been bouncing around a lot because of the US administration's interesting economic announcements although there is news that our comparative economic stability may see the currency and share market stabilise here, and maybe that will improve prices.

 

[Markuswelder]

Those sirens haven't reached my ears yet. The price is rather high here in Australia although I've noticed that it has dropped already from the AUD $5,499 RRP to $4,908 at a few stores.

I reckon that's a really good price myself. Like I've written a couple of times, I'm not really interested in the S1RII, but should my S5mk1 die, It would be on my consideration list for sure. Mostly for the colours I've seen coming out of it, along with the likelihood of long support for it being one of their higher end models. And one would think build quality should/would be pretty good too, for the same reasons.