Richard Wong
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On the camera, Real Time LUT works on RAW file (or direct sensor output)
LUT work on RAW
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Let's talk about LUTs (Lumix S9)
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On the camera, Real Time LUT works on RAW file (or direct sensor output)
LUT work on RAW
pdk42
Moderator
I've tried to use Olympus's Art Filters before, and I even had a Pen-F for a while which had a sort of LUT thing of its own (the "creative wheel"), but I found after an initial play with them, I just reverted to raw and never used them again.
My preferred approach is to seek out the best framing and composition as possible at time of capture and then use post processing later to get the look that I think each specific image deserves. I don't set out saying "I fancy shooting Misty Blue Mountain theme today" or whatever. I'd also be hyper worried that along with the LUT processing, I'd also be getting all the other downsides of JPEGs - baked in brightness, WB, sharpening, tone curve, NR etc. At least with a raw file I can fix some degree of capture-time mess of my own making.
It seems to me that LUTs are really ill-suited to people like me who do mostly landscape stills - that is, small number of images in any one outing, dealing with wide DR, looking to add mood via selective editing, etc. I can see it makes much more sense for event shooting etc. As to video, I'm assuming that serious videographers will use vLog and DaVinci etc later, but I suppose the same argument as for event shooting would apply to some genres of video too.
My preferred approach is to seek out the best framing and composition as possible at time of capture and then use post processing later to get the look that I think each specific image deserves. I don't set out saying "I fancy shooting Misty Blue Mountain theme today" or whatever. I'd also be hyper worried that along with the LUT processing, I'd also be getting all the other downsides of JPEGs - baked in brightness, WB, sharpening, tone curve, NR etc. At least with a raw file I can fix some degree of capture-time mess of my own making.
It seems to me that LUTs are really ill-suited to people like me who do mostly landscape stills - that is, small number of images in any one outing, dealing with wide DR, looking to add mood via selective editing, etc. I can see it makes much more sense for event shooting etc. As to video, I'm assuming that serious videographers will use vLog and DaVinci etc later, but I suppose the same argument as for event shooting would apply to some genres of video too.
CharlesH
LMF-Patron Gold
I'm with you, that's how I work.
Yes, with video I only apply LUTs in post processing.
But i do expect to explore all the LUT capability of the S9. An application I have in mind, when I travel with friends they are constantly taking pictures with their phones and sharing them with all of us. And I'm with my large camera and almost never share. So my idea is to bring my S9 photos into the Lumix app, set the aspect ratio to fit their phones and maybe add a nice LUT and share them.
CharlesH
LMF-Patron Gold
Is that right? One of the reviewers, I forget which one, said you could shoot RAW+JPEG and the LUT would be applied to the JPEG and not the RAW.
Richard Wong
Well-Known Member
oh sorry i think i misunderstood the question. and replied incorrectly.
What I mean is, the real time LUT feature applies the LUT to the RAW output to generate the JPG file which has the LUT baked in.
The output RAW file does NOT have the LUT changes baked in.
It works the same way as the S5II.
Sorry about the previous incorrect answer
Markuswelder
Well-Known Member
My use case is a little bit similar. I've done similar when travelling OS with my G100, but I'm not particularly interested in the LUT bit. With my G100, I've done in camera raw processing, it's then just a one button push to send it to Lumix Sync, and from there use it however and wherever I want. The camera does a pretty damn good job of the heavy lifting part, I'd only be looking to use Lumix Lab as a final little massage or tweak, something that is a little bit less precise trying to do on the rear screen of the camera. It would be much easier on a larger phone screen I'd guess.
None of what I've done has been at point of capture, but later on when sitting around in the evening, if there's nothing else to do. For me, eliminating the need for a tablet or laptop when travelling.
I'm super super surprised to be honest, that no one has come up with something like this before now
pdk42
Moderator
Yes, that makes sense. I don't often use my camera for social shooting, but when I do, the lack of quick and easy sharing does raise a few eyebrows with family members - "you paid all that money but can't send us a copy now?"
Maybe I'm wrong here, I hope so, or I'm missing something. A LUT is something like a sidecar that you can switch off in post. I don't see a reason for the LUT to be burned-in the RAW file, but again, maybe I'm wrong. If I do a Quick Look on the RW2 files they are the same as the JPEGs, except the image ratio.
I can "buy" that the LUT is burned-in in a JPEG photo but a LUT, at least in video, is only for monitoring and it's a file that goes alongside with the video files. So, the RAW should always come out flat.
I can "buy" that the LUT is burned-in in a JPEG photo but a LUT, at least in video, is only for monitoring and it's a file that goes alongside with the video files. So, the RAW should always come out flat.
RuleOfThirds
Well-Known Member
you have to apply the lut during RAW conversion to generate a jpg. The s5ii can do that in camera. From one RAW you can create multiple jpg’s using Panasonics traditional jpg style, or use a lut.So for photograpy a lut is a photostyle you can select for a jpg, or apply, in camera in you want, to a raw to generate another jpg.
For video the lut is for monitoring if you shoot vlog or it gets embedded if you choose a finished version like mp4
For video the lut is for monitoring if you shoot vlog or it gets embedded if you choose a finished version like mp4
Pete_W
LMF-Patron
I don't think this is a bad implementation. The idea was to provide a way for creators to be able to shoot and then directly share their output LUT applied and thereby avoid having to do it in post. If someone prefers to do it in post, then they won't use a LUT.
RuleOfThirds
Well-Known Member
And that is how it is implemented. You can create a jpg from raw (raw+jpg), and raw is always untouched. If you shoot only raw, nothing happens at all. You can via the play menu develop a jpg from a raw, but raw is just input, jpg is output.