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Let's talk about LUTs (Lumix S9)

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Found on Facebook: about the app for the S9 and also the S5ii(X) and G9ii (Soon)!!
 
A youtuber said that Panasonic wants to include the features of the old Lumix app also into this new one and replace the old one completely with it in the long run.
 
A youtuber said that Panasonic wants to include the features of the old Lumix app also into this new one and replace the old one completely with it in the long run.
If the previous is correct than I expect no more updates for the S5, and the other cameras who are supported by the old app. So expect they keep that app for the older cams...
 
I do not see any reason why the new app should not support older cameras too. Of course only features that are compatible. I am sure that all features of the old app will also be compatible with older cameras as soon as they are available in the new app.
 
Available in 3 days, this is fantastic and a nice addition for my new rocketship Android phone. I stayed away from LUTs but with the new software and all the current talk now is the time.

How can anyone complain about Lumix? They can switch to Pentax and have plenty to cry about! Daumenhoch
 
How can anyone complain about Lumix? They can switch to Pentax and have plenty to cry about! Daumenhoch

Unfortunately a lot of people do, for sport or because it's all about them. As we've seen the past few days.

E.g. "This camera doesn't have x, y or z features that I need, ergo Panasonic is terrible! What were they thinking???"
 
Unfortunately a lot of people do, for sport or because it's all about them. As we've seen the past few days.

E.g. "This camera doesn't have x, y or z features that I need, ergo Panasonic is terrible! What were they thinking???"
Forget about them, I don't care what they say. Superman treats 'em like kryptonite. Z02 Trollalarm

Looking forward to trying out these LUTs on video too now and should be easier for photo also. Fuji started it but Lumix is showing how it should be done... I hope.
 
I do not see any reason why the new app should not support older cameras too. Of course only features that are compatible. I am sure that all features of the old app will also be compatible with older cameras as soon as they are available in the new app.
No, I just watched the Lumix Lab tutorial and what is the point supporting the old cameras with most of the Lab app software not being applicable.

This new software looks brilliant and really boosts the Lumix cameras, the others have nothing like this.

Lumix Lab software a central hub including pairing with camera, file viewing/management, remote control, photo editing, posting to social media and the LUT application, creation and management all within.

I think they have a winner, it'll not only boost the appeal of the S9 but the others too.

I'm so glad I never let that salesman talk me into a Nikon Z6ii back in January, Lumix is just getting better and better.:D

The difference between the older models widens though with all the extra firmware functionality and software.
 
. "This camera doesn't have x, y or z features that I need, ergo Panasonic is terrible! What were they thinking???"
Well after watching the Lumix Lab tutorial they sure as hell are now light years ahead of the other camera brands in integrating the camera with smart phones and social media.

Clever people for this and the LUT stuff, bad name though. Lumix Creator Magic it should have been named with the LCM button.
 
Lumix Lab app tutorial:


That looks brilliant, Panasonic has just killed Lightroom mobile or whatever it's called, for Lumix users. I care not about the LUT's, what's gotten me excited is the photo editing aspect of the app. I thought Lumix Sync was brilliant when travelling with my G100, do a little bit of in camera raw conversion editing, & it was a one button press to send to my phone, then post on forums, social media, whatever.
Lumix Lab has gone one step further, the camera does the heavy lifting, then send to your mobile device, tweak with a LUT or more traditional shadow/highlight, saturation, exposure editing method, then post on social media. Utterly brilliant. Personally, most of my editing will still be computer based at home, but this is going to be fantastic when travelling, on holidays, or just out and about. Bravo Panasonic, bravo.
 
No, I just watched the Lumix Lab tutorial and what is the point supporting the old cameras with most of the Lab app software not being applicable.
What's the point? Mobile photo editing on a larger screen, with more processing power for any Lumix user. I think it will turn out to be the new Lumix Sync. Initially, Panasonic said it (Lumix Sync) would only work with a few cameras, didn't take long and it was compatible with most cameras.
 
One thing, Lumix Lab does NOT support RAW editing, not at this stage at least. ( i think i mentioned in my review as well)
But you can do raw editing in-camera. It's an extra step. but it is what it is.

and yes Lumix Lab will eventually replace Lumix Sync when it is completed. But i am GUESSING it is only for the latest cameras.
Just like when Lumix Sync was released, the older cameras only work with the old "Panasonic Image" app
 
One thing, Lumix Lab does NOT support RAW editing, not at this stage at least. ( i think i mentioned in my review as well)
But you can do raw editing in-camera. It's an extra step. but it is what it is.

and yes Lumix Lab will eventually replace Lumix Sync when it is completed. But i am GUESSING it is only for the latest cameras.
Just like when Lumix Sync was released, the older cameras only work with the old "Panasonic Image" app
No biggie, for me anyway. The camera itself does an excellent job of raw conversion anyway, with all the features such as iDynamic, highlight/shadow, the graphical WB adjustment etc etc etc. I'd be surprised, and a bit annoyed if Panasonic locked out cameras as recent as the S5 mk1 though, at least as far as jpeg editing anyway.
 
No biggie, for me anyway. The camera itself does an excellent job of raw conversion anyway, with all the features such as iDynamic, highlight/shadow, the graphical WB adjustment etc etc etc. I'd be surprised, and a bit annoyed if Panasonic locked out cameras as recent as the S5 mk1 though, at least as far as jpeg editing anyway.

i think it's not so much about lock out camera, it's more like if it is technically possible and financially feasible to make the app compatible with the slightly older camera like S5.
The communication protocol appears to be different with the Lumix Lab app as the connection process, speed to transferring..etc are all different. So it would require development effort.

If you just want to use it to edit photos, you should be able to do that, at least with the pre-release version I've on my phone. I can manually add photo from my phone to the Lumix Lab then do editing inside Lumix Lab.
 
i think it's not so much about lock out camera, it's more like if it is technically possible and financially feasible to make the app compatible with the slightly older camera like S5.
The communication protocol appears to be different with the Lumix Lab app as the connection process, speed to transferring..etc are all different. So it would require development effort.

If you just want to use it to edit photos, you should be able to do that, at least with the pre-release version I've on my phone. I can manually add photo from my phone to the Lumix Lab then do editing inside Lumix Lab.
Yeah, I understand that. I was more just interested in the jpeg editing aspect, which, as you've noted, seems to already work. Not being unrealistic here, expecting magic with older hardware as far as transfer speeds & such.

Edit -I'll also add that the new features are definitely not enough to make me go rushing out to buy a new, updated model either. I think I'm one of the 3 people in the whole world who actually like DFD
 
One thing, Lumix Lab does NOT support RAW editing, not at this stage at least. ( i think i mentioned in my review as well)
But you can do raw editing in-camera. It's an extra step. but it is what it is.
Good point and an area of confusion. If I use or create a LUT and load it into the camera does it work directly on the RAW to create the jpeg in RAW+jpeg mode? Or does the camera create a jpeg from RAW then LUT is applied to the jpeg?

Did I read somewhere LUT doesn't work on RAW? Do the pre-installed filters in camera to produce jpegs work on RAW or some kind of generic jpeg that LUTs would then change therefore having the same base? Do LR filters act the same? In Lumix labs only working on jpegs in the app as you say not as good as LUT application in-camera?

Sorry, a lot of questions...

For printing I always did edits in RAW in LR, used filters if needed then converted to jpeg. Several years ago I was spending £28 GBP on 30x20" prints in the leading UK print supplier and they only accepted jpegs. I supplied them with the cokour profile and the prints were sublime exactly matching my calibrated monitor.

The essense was edit in RAW and finally convert to jpeg hence the above questions, or is the LUT idea one good enough for social media and not literally fine printing?

Prints? Whatz that? :cool:
 
Did I read somewhere LUT doesn't work on RAW? Do the pre-installed filters in camera to produce jpegs work on RAW or some kind of generic jpeg that LUTs would then change therefore having the same base? Do LR filters act the same? In Lumix labs only working on jpegs in the app as you say not as good as LUT application in-camera?

To get the intended effect you need to apply a LUT to an image in a known colour space, and the creator of the LUT should specify which one. So in terms of Panasonic's cameras you need to use a specific Photo Style as the starting point - typically either Standard or V-Log.

It'd be interesting to know where the LUT gets applied in the camera's image processing pipeline. If Lumix Lab is only able to work on JPGs then you run the risk of posterisation thanks to them being 8-bits per channel, but if the camera applies the LUT while the data is still in 14 or 12 bit format (there was something about the S9 only producing 12-bit RAWs?) then that'd be far less likely.
 
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