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News Leica SL3-P

xaviergut

xaviergut

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I am not sure whether Panasonic thinks, that there would be enough demand among Lumix users for a 60MP photography body.

I love my S1Rii for everything I need it for. I would not like to upgrade it to 60MP.

But a Lumix Q3 with a real 28mm FFL, 5.6 MP EVF and 60MP would be a different story.

Even with 24MP sensor I would buy a Lumix Q3.
 
As I’ve said in the past, I am very tempted by Leica bodies just to get the shooting experience. I am a fan.

But their prices are monstrous. If they were to drop by $2k or so per body, it would become a much more palatable proposition for me, although still marginal.

As for the SL3-P, it’s basically an S1RII body in a Leica package. Which, in principle, I like - a lot. But without a fully- or partially-stacked high-res sensor, I’m just not going to do it. Even if it were $4500. Well, maybe I’d get one at $4500 with the current sensor. But no way, at $6500.

The way forward for a jack-of-all trades, top-tier body is clearly 45mp or more with at least a partially stacked sensor. Nikon has done it. Sony has done it. But I suspect we are in for another 5-year wait for Panasonic (and hence Leica) to do that.

Still, I love my S1RII and the hit-rate on the AFC is quite good. It’s mostly about me as a photographer - I know that. But I don’t see dropping that kind of money just to get a better shooting experience. If it had the 44 MP sensor and AF performance like that of the S1II, well OK. That would give me something to think about. But sadly, it doesn’t.

Or maybe I should be happy, LOL. Do other things with the money, like a trip to Denali to see the bears gorge on salmon. And then eat some myself.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Or maybe I should be happy, LOL. Do other things with the money, like a trip to Denali to see the bears gorge on salmon. And then eat some myself.
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That is always the better option to spend money
 
I shoot hybrid, photos plus video, so this is the first Leica I'd have interest in. Most cameras can shoot video but few cameras master video like Panasonic Lumix. Will the SLP-3 get there? Maybe, it's too early to know. But if they do really master video, would I swap out my S1RII and S1II? I don't think so, but I will follow them - it is good to see another hybrid player.
 
CharlesH said:
I shoot hybrid, photos plus video, so this is the first Leica I'd have interest in. Most cameras can shoot video but few cameras master video like Panasonic Lumix. Will the SLP-3 get there? Maybe, it's too early to know. But if they do really master video, would I swap out my S1RII and S1II? I don't think so, but I will follow them - it is good to see another hybrid player.
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Charles, have noticed a meaningful/consistent difference in the AF speed or accuracy between the S1II and S1RII?
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Charles, have noticed a meaningful/consistent difference in the AF speed or accuracy between the S1II and S1RII?
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I have not, but I've not used the cameras the same way so I had no way to compare. And in general I have not done AF challenging photos. In my case the S1RII is mostly for photos and I've used the S1II mostly for video. In concept the S1II should have better AF performance, and I have been thinking about doing more photography with it, I really like the camera. But I don't expect to do AF comparison testing.
 
CharlesH said:
I shoot hybrid, photos plus video, so this is the first Leica I'd have interest in. Most cameras can shoot video but few cameras master video like Panasonic Lumix. Will the SLP-3 get there? Maybe, it's too early to know. But if they do really master video, would I swap out my S1RII and S1II? I don't think so, but I will follow them - it is good to see another hybrid player.
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They just put false colors (for video) in all the SL bodies via a firmware update.
 
I have seen that with the new Leica SL3-P, the brand changed its strategy due to its new 44-megapixel sensor it features two RAW/DNG file sizes:

the medium size (or small, depending on how it's named in the final firmware menu) has the exact following resolution:

  • DNG L (Large): 8144 x 5424 pixels — 44.2 Megapixels
  • DNG M/S (Medium): 6336 x 4218 pixels — 26.7 Megapixels
It seems that when shooting at the reduced 26.7 mpx size, the camera still utilizes the full surface of the Full Frame sensor through its pixel binning technology, giving a lighter file with better noise management, making it ideal if you are going to work with fast bursts of up to 40 frames per second using the electronic shutter.

We don't have that in the Lumix S1RII, right?
 
As a Leica this camera doesn't interest me at all - too expensive. I would consider one if I came into some significant money but they look like they have very uncomfortable ergonomics.
 
xaviergut said:
I have seen that with the new Leica SL3-P, the brand changed its strategy due to its new 44-megapixel sensor it features two RAW/DNG file sizes:

the medium size (or small, depending on how it's named in the final firmware menu) has the exact following resolution:

  • DNG L (Large): 8144 x 5424 pixels — 44.2 Megapixels
  • DNG M/S (Medium): 6336 x 4218 pixels — 26.7 Megapixels
It seems that when shooting at the reduced 26.7 mpx size, the camera still utilizes the full surface of the Full Frame sensor through its pixel binning technology, giving a lighter file with better noise management, making it ideal if you are going to work with fast bursts of up to 40 frames per second using the electronic shutter.

We don't have that in the Lumix S1RII, right?
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This is what you have with the Leica Q3. I love that feature! Often, 60MP is just too much. But around 25MP is great like the "pixel binning" of smartphones without any crop.
 
dirk said:
This is what you have with the Leica Q3. I love that feature! Often, 60MP is just too much. But around 25MP is great like the "pixel binning" of smartphones without any crop.
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I’ve often wondered if it would help reduce noise for things like astrophotography - long, dark exposures that then get abused in post. I did some reading/watching on the web, and the results seem inconclusive. Have you ever compared the different resolutions, in terms of how clean the blacks are after raising them substantially in post?
 
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