News Interesting new camera coming? Lumix DC-L10

[dirk]

 

[RuleOfThirds]

I was looking at some old footage from 2017 where I brought my GX80 to Peru with a 12-32, panaleica 15/1.7 and Olympus 45/1.8, and except for the very small dynamic range I'm still glad with the pictures I got from it. It was very small, light. I rather would have another version of that camera then this all-in-one package.

Then just today I see this thread as well. First the GAS came up, but got to my senses again quite quickly. Yes, it is a very very nice camera, but the DoF, the sensor noise, and not being able to switch lenses would be too frustrating for me being used to full frame now. And this sensor is actually smaller then m43, look at the lens It doesn't even have a 2x crop factor, but more like 2.2x. (24mm/10.9mm) So it's m43 -10%. But I bet that that lens is way better then the 12-32 was, and the sensor albeit smaller, much newer and better. But this pictures already show infinite DoF (something like 3.8-6.2 lens converted) and taken with full sun light.

I think it is a nice vlogger cam with some photo controls and an EVF. Where is the S9m2 with it?

 

[CharlesH]

And this sensor is actually smaller then m43

The sensor is the same as used in the GH7, it is M43 with 25.2 MP. It is an advanced sensor; I had it in my GH7 and it had good dynamic range for a 4:3 sensor. The confusion is how the L10 accommodates all the aspect ratios it supports. They call it "constant diagonal view", whatever that means, but likely the lens performance drops off at the 4:3 corners. You can shoot 4:3, 3:2, 16:9, and 1:1, each with some crop. At 4:3 the width and height are cropped 10% to 20.3 MP. At 3:2 the width is cropped 6% to 19.5 MP. 16:9 has very little crop to 18.1 MP. 1:1 has a 10% width crop to 15.2 MP.

Yes, perhaps confusing, here is a chart that shows the sensor use with the different aspect ratios in the L10.

In my case I expect to mostly use 3:2 for photos and 16:9 for video.

 

[xaviergut]

At 4:3 the width and height are cropped 10%

But for video can record 4:3 open gate (5.2k), right?

 

[CharlesH]

But for video can record 4:3 open gate (5.2k), right?

Yes. But the open gate is within that basic 10% crop.

 

[thegardentool]

I wonder if they could reuse the body, or able to make just slight modifications, to make an S10. I, like @pdk42, would be interested in an S9 with EVF as a secondary body option for when I don't feel like I need the weight and heft of the larger bodies.

 

[dseres]

The sensor is the same as used in the GH7, it is M43 with 25.2 MP. It is an advanced sensor; I had it in my GH7 and it had good dynamic range for a 4:3 sensor. The confusion is how the L10 accommodates all the aspect ratios it supports. They call it "constant diagonal view", whatever that means, but likely the lens performance drops off at the 4:3 corners. You can shoot 4:3, 3:2, 16:9, and 1:1, each with some crop. At 4:3 the width and height are cropped 10% to 20.3 MP. At 3:2 the width is cropped 6% to 19.5 MP. 16:9 has very little crop to 18.1 MP. 1:1 has a 10% width crop to 15.2 MP.

Yes, perhaps confusing, here is a chart that shows the sensor use with the different aspect ratios in the L10.

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In my case I expect to mostly use 3:2 for photos and 16:9 for video.

Thank you for your explanation! I didn't understand what the 'multi-aspect' feature meant in the marketing materials. Now, thanks to the examples, it is clear.

 

[CharlesH]

DPReview has a nice set of sample photos with the L10, and I downloaded the RAWs to take a look. If you are interested, the RAWs work okay with the latest version of SILKYPIX Developer Studio SE.

But my main interest was to see the RAW pixel depth of the L10 files. My concern, the S9 has just 12 bit RAWs. Most of our Lumix cameras have 14 bit RAWs, so I looked at the L10 files with RawDigger, hoping they were 14 bits. SURPRISE, the L10 RAW files are 16 bits! That is probably overkill, but it is nice to see they are on the large size and should cover a very wide dynamic range.

Screen shot from RawDigger

 

[CharlesH]

the RAWs work okay with the latest version of SILKYPIX Developer Studio SE.

Lightroom works with L10 RAWs.
I didn't even think to try these DPReview L10 RAWs with Lightroom because Adobe always takes time after a new camera is shipping before they have their RAW converter. BUT LIGHTROOM is working with L10 RAWs!!!

 

[dirk]

A new video from @Richard Wong



Sounds good for future Lumix products like a GX10 or S9 mkii

 

[CharlesH]

A new video from @Richard Wong

Thanks for posting this Dirk. (And thanks Richard.) It did answer some questions I've had relative to video. A first, the L10 has 32 bit float audio recording - this will be really useful with the new DMW-DMS1 shotgun microphone. Second it may be difficult to run a slow power zoom for video shots, although there may be a little promise with the front control dial.

A thing I've not been able to learn, does the L10 support the Atomos UltraSync BLUE for timecode sync? It seems this feature would roll over from the GH7 and S1MK2 but I've not seen a review mention it. (Richard?)

 

[dirk]

 

[GeorgeHudetz]

Here’s another Hugh video, but this one is mostly just Hugh & Sean from LUMIX sitting on some steps somewhere talking about how the creative & human side of photography is more important than camera specs. Super enjoyable.

 

[Pete_W]

Here’s another Hugh video, but this one is mostly just Hugh & Sean from LUMIX sitting on some steps somewhere talking about how the creative & human side of photography is more important than camera specs. Super enjoyable.

I enjoyed Hugh's video that Dirk linked above, and this one too. I love that Lumix and people like Hugh are talking about the joy of photography and not focusing so much on specifications.

I was looking at the L10 review that DPReview has just published and had a good laugh at a number of comments. Many posters complaining about specifications, some about the price level, and one even complained about how many articles DPReview has published about the camera. I've also read complaints on other sites online about how some reviewers are reflecting too heavily on how the camera feels in hand and the experience of using it instead of providing specification metrics and comparisons. How dare they!

There must be a lot of DPR website members for whom cameras are primarily a gear collection hobby. And what a disheartening hobby it must be. Nearly every camera released is criticised for not meeting their personal specification requirements. They love to announce what missing feature is a "dealbreaker" for them despite the fact that the camera might suit many people perfectly well or that the brand also sells other camera models with the features they want. Not all cameras must be the same!

The desperation to have the best camera reminds me of a funny Oatmeal comic strip from some years back about the Apple upgrade cycle.

What it's like to own an Apple product - The Oatmeal

A journey on the emotional rollercoaster of owning a fancy apple gadget.

theoatmeal.com

 

[sergun80]

One of the big reasons why I left the M4/3 is that the sensor itself is almost square, which I don't understand. Yes, I can set it to 3/2 mode, but in this case, the already small sensor "cuts" the matrix (pixels) You could still put up with this if you were making very compact cameras like the gm1/gx1, and the last truly compact camera was the gx880 released in 2018. The new L10 is not clear to me at all, the size/ weight is comparable to the S9.

 

[CharlesH]

I was looking at the L10 review that DPReview has just published and had a good laugh at a number of comments. Many posters complaining about specifications, some about the price level, and one even complained about how many articles DPReview has published about the camera. I've also read complaints on other sites online about how some reviewers are reflecting too heavily on how the camera feels in hand and the experience of using it instead of providing specification metrics and comparisons. How dare they!

I looked at DPReview because they published some L10 RAW photos which was useful. And then I went through the comments, which was painful. I did add some comments which is like ****ing in the wind (sorry, I mean like beating a dead horse) with that crowd. I was happy they published quite a bit of information about the L10, but a grim reminder not to waste much time there.

 

[xaviergut]

Panasonic LUMIX L10 is Already (Unsurprisingly) Backordered | CineD

Hyping already?! The Panasonic LUMIX L10 hasn't even hit the market yet, but Panasonic has already issued a delivery notice.

www.cined.com

"While the camera has not reached the market yet and is due out on June 18, Panasonic has already received an unusually high number of reservations", there you go...
Well done, Lumix, well done...

 

[pdk42]

One of the big reasons why I left the M4/3 is that the sensor itself is almost square, which I don't understand. Yes, I can set it to 3/2 mode, but in this case, the already small sensor "cuts" the matrix (pixels) You could still put up with this if you were making very compact cameras like the gm1/gx1, and the last truly compact camera was the gx880 released in 2018. The new L10 is not clear to me at all, the size/ weight is comparable to the S9.

I prefer 4/3 to 3/2, so I guess it's all about preferences. I like to go really wide (Xpan 65/24) or square, but 4/3 has an appeal too. I find 3/2 neither one thing or another.

 

[CharlesH]

While the camera has not reached the market yet and is due out on June 18 ...

I ordered on day one, directly from Panasonic USA, so I'm fairly hopeful it will ship on time.