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Fullframe vs. MFT - size of lenses
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Lsake
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Had a 12-32mm in the G85 era but sold after a few months. It was too small and fiddly, required extending to activate with limited zoom range.
Got my first 20-60mm 5 years ago and it continues to see regular use.
A G9II with 12-60mm vs S5II with 20-60mm is an interesting comparison but I’d still pick the S5.
Lumix G9ii with the Lumix-Leica 12-35/2.8 Mk3 would be even more interesting.
Markuswelder
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231203-P1000719 by Markus Welder, on FlickrG9 with PL 8-18 vs S5 & 20-60mm. The reason I moved to the S5, as they're within a few grams of each other.
And there's no AF 25mm or 42.5mm weather sealed F0.9 lenses in m4/3, and what there is, is as big, heavier and more expensive than my S primes.
Markuswelder
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RuleOfThirds
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And now do a compare with the 100-400 Leica zoom, with a 200-800 
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Lsake
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I had this exact lens on a GH5. Excellent lens, but you say, not really any smaller than the 20-60mm and about 3x the price.
Lsake
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Closest I can get to this is my sigma 100-400mm DG DN with 2x TC. It ends up at like 800mm f13 but in bright conditions it works well enough and it’s super light weight.And now do a compare with the 100-400 Leica zoom, with a 200-800
That is not a fair comparison
You can not compare a 8-18mm f2.8-4.0 with a 20-60mm f3.5-5.6. These are 2 totally different worlds for lens design, both in the wider 8mm and in the brighter aperture, which is really difficullt for 8mm. No wonder that the 8-18 is big.
Take the Olympus 9-18 and the comparison is still unfair, but the outcome is different in favor of MFT.
Take then the GX9 body on that Oly WA zoom and the difference is more like night and day.
I see the advantages of fullframe/L-Mount, but depending on which body and lens you choose, MFT has still a significant weight and size advantage.
Travis Butler
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Yeah. That's the thing I didn't get about the M4/3 market; the big advantage was size and weight, so why did they keep coming out with huge bodies like the E-M1X and that G9, instead of more bodies like the Pen-F? Though at least now there is the OM5, which does look tempting.
I think they misjudged the demand for small cameras, same like the whole industry missed the train for high end compact cameras.
They might have thought, that in the future, only people who use telezooms will be interested in MFT. For big telezooms you beed bigger bodies to hold it comfortable.
OM system tries to offer now more. The OM5 is still an Olympus product and more or less a Olympus EM5 Mk3.. It will be interesting whether OM system will launch a real new replacement for the OM5.
The OM3 is a different product and also here, OM system saved money. My guess is that they wanted to use the same innerts of the OM1ii. This is why the OM3 is so wide. IMHO OM3 should be a lot smaller.
I hope that Panasonic wakes up and will bring out this year a real MFT size of camera with a very good EVF. It dies not have to by a hybrid camera or at least not a very good one. Focus on photography and on size.
They might have thought, that in the future, only people who use telezooms will be interested in MFT. For big telezooms you beed bigger bodies to hold it comfortable.
OM system tries to offer now more. The OM5 is still an Olympus product and more or less a Olympus EM5 Mk3.. It will be interesting whether OM system will launch a real new replacement for the OM5.
The OM3 is a different product and also here, OM system saved money. My guess is that they wanted to use the same innerts of the OM1ii. This is why the OM3 is so wide. IMHO OM3 should be a lot smaller.
I hope that Panasonic wakes up and will bring out this year a real MFT size of camera with a very good EVF. It dies not have to by a hybrid camera or at least not a very good one. Focus on photography and on size.
Jan.Wedekind
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This. That's all there is to it in terms of photography (video might be a different story if you care about stabilization, overheating etc).
I will very likely get the SR1ii and I will definitely use it at times with the Sigma 150-600 for telephoto. But nothing beats the G9ii with the 100-400 in terms of long reach, good IQ, and just flat out fun factor for walking around.
Lsake
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The G9 is a serious consideration for telephoto. As an L mountaineer I really wanted to see an L mount version of the G9 as I’m just not willing to maintain two sets of lenses. My idea was an APS-C L mount version of the G9, so I could get 1.5x reach out of my 100-400. I suppose with the S1RII I can now basically do the same thing by running it in crop mode.
Jan.Wedekind
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I started off with M43 over 10y ago, so was easy to hang on to stuff. From scratch, not sure what I would do.
For L-Mount, I am most tempted by considering the S1R + Sigma 500 + TC 1.4x optional. That basically gives the same reach as the G9ii+100-400 at now almost the same weight and marginally bigger size. Nice!
Markuswelder
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Right up to the point that you look at the photos. Then the S5 easily wins. Easily. That's why I used the PL8-18. To try and get somewhat close, but the S5 still has better dynamic range, cleaner shadows, nicer colours, it's weather sealed, why wouldn't you. And comparing with the G9mkII, the difference is even less, and the S5 kit is quite a bit cheaper too.
Same with the S 14-28mm vs the Lumix 7-14. I'm not bashing m4/3. I still own a tonne of it. But it's just the reality of how it is now, for my shooting needs. If I were a bird shooter, then things would be different.
Markuswelder
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I don't think they will. It's pretty easy to tell with Panasonic what sells, and what doesn't. If it's not profitable, it just disappears. Like a proper GX8 replacement. And the GM series. I'm not saying that the GX line is gone forever, if their research tells them that demand might be there I couldn't see them just ignoring it.
Pete_W
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Yep, and the problem is that people expect these smaller cameras to cost considerably less but still be top-of-the-line with a high-res EVF, IBIS, fast burst rates, big buffer, no crop in video and lots of codecs, and of course a heavy-duty battery and no overheating. The impossible dream.
I wouldn't be surprised if Panasonic releases another LX model later this year, and maybe a G100 Mk II. I think a new LX with a fixed Leica zoom would be a lot better than an OM3.
Markuswelder
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Yeah, that's the biggest problem I think. Because it's small, it must have a small price tag.
Travis Butler
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Yeah,
Yup, I did a full rant on that a few days ago (don't remember which thread it was in).