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Linux users?

And if you hate Windows, just buy that Macbook. It is so much better for editing photo's. And even my MacBook Pro M1 from 2020 model with 512GB nvmd ssd and 16GB memory (but form December 2021) still has 92% battery capacity and can do 8 hours of photo editing without needing external power. In practice means when on holiday I can do like 4-5 days of going through my raw pictures, use Lightroom (or any other major app, or even rawtherpee) and post some pictures here, or whatever. For a short trip no need to bring a power supply.
I’m still sad they haven’t done an Apple Silicon version of the 12” MacBook.

It was an almost perfect form factor for portable photo editing - quality hi-res screen in a package that fits in a tablet case. It was let down by the lack of a good Intel-era processor, and even so was still a decent - but slow - editor. An Apple Silicon chip seems tailor-made for a new version.

I’m currently using a 13” M2 Air, and it’s nice - but it’s not effortlessly portable the way the 12” was.
 
I’m still sad they haven’t done an Apple Silicon version of the 12” MacBook.

It was an almost perfect form factor for portable photo editing - quality hi-res screen in a package that fits in a tablet case. It was let down by the lack of a good Intel-era processor, and even so was still a decent - but slow - editor. An Apple Silicon chip seems tailor-made for a new version.

I’m currently using a 13” M2 Air, and it’s nice - but it’s not effortlessly portable the way the 12” was.
I totally agree. Eyed that 12" a lot, never got one.... but looks like the ideal travel companion. Better and lighter then an iPad with a separate keyboard.
 
And if you hate Windows, just buy that Macbook.
Nope. Don't hate Windows. I really like/d W7, 8, 9, 10 & 11. I even didn't mind Vista. As long as you didn't try & run it on 2GB of RAM and some slow old CPU. Not a fan of Apple products. A little bit too regimented for me. I'm just not going to throw out a perfectly good, relatively modern & quite capable 6th gen i7 quad core computer just to bump the profits of a huge multinational. It's just plain wasteful to me, Burning up our finite resources for no reason other than huge profits. But that's just me, & I'm in no way, shape or form a Greenie or environmentalist. I just don't like waste.

But please don't torture yourself.
Nope, not torturing myself. Just having a bit of fun keeping the grey matter functioning, challenging myself, figuring stuff out, and giving the memory cells a bit of a workout, rather than just whipping out the debit card and spending away. Far far far better and more productive use of my time than watching TV/Netflix, or arguing on interwebz forums to my mind :)
It's winter here, so not been out on the Mountain bike much, no car or bike shows on to peruse, so may as well learn something useful.
 
Nope. Don't hate Windows. I really like/d W7, 8, 9, 10 & 11. I even didn't mind Vista. As long as you didn't try & run it on 2GB of RAM and some slow old CPU. Not a fan of Apple products. A little bit too regimented for me. I'm just not going to throw out a perfectly good, relatively modern & quite capable 6th gen i7 quad core computer just to bump the profits of a huge multinational. It's just plain wasteful to me, Burning up our finite resources for no reason other than huge profits. But that's just me, & I'm in no way, shape or form a Greenie or environmentalist. I just don't like waste.


Nope, not torturing myself. Just having a bit of fun keeping the grey matter functioning, challenging myself, figuring stuff out, and giving the memory cells a bit of a workout, rather than just whipping out the debit card and spending away. Far far far better and more productive use of my time than watching TV/Netflix, or arguing on interwebz forums to my mind :)
It's winter here, so not been out on the Mountain bike much, no car or bike shows on to peruse, so may as well learn something useful.
Ofcourse, didn't think about the seasonal difference. It's here quite nice and sunny. Summer. In Italy it was too sunny, but still enjoyed it :)

I use Windows for work for all my life, and still today. For personal stuff I got an iMac in 2019 with a very high 5K resolution screen, and that is so nice for photography stuff, and everything I do in my personal time (no gaming). When working I can't use internet on my work machine, or very very limited (security wise), so I have always a personal device for looking things up. Used my 10.5" iPad Pro with keyboard, but that was not enough. That is why I got this Macbook, so use it almost every day. And so much better than any Windows laptop I've had/used. From small tablet ones like Windows Surface, to 4000 euro Thinkpad workhorse with 4K screen(provided by employer) and everything in between.
 
Ofcourse, didn't think about the seasonal difference. It's here quite nice and sunny. Summer. In Italy it was too sunny, but still enjoyed it :)

I use Windows for work for all my life, and still today. For personal stuff I got an iMac in 2019 with a very high 5K resolution screen, and that is so nice for photography stuff, and everything I do in my personal time (no gaming). When working I can't use internet on my work machine, or very very limited (security wise), so I have always a personal device for looking things up. Used my 10.5" iPad Pro with keyboard, but that was not enough. That is why I got this Macbook, so use it almost every day. And so much better than any Windows laptop I've had/used. From small tablet ones like Windows Surface, to 4000 euro Thinkpad workhorse with 4K screen(provided by employer) and everything in between.
Ha ha. My work is at the opposite end of the spectrum than using computers. I make & build stuff. In the steel fabrication game. Yeah, I do use a computer and autoCAD a little bit for designing parts & structures etc, making workshop drawings and running CNC shape cutting machinery etc, but the vast majority is hands on, dirty, noisy, hot & sweaty muscle powered work :) And that's the way I like it. There is no way known that I could sit at a desk all day, wiggle a mouse & press computer buttons. No way :)
My home computing is just hobby stuff. Setting up & running my NAS and associated software, photo editing out of necessity more than anything else, and just plain old tinkering. Computers to me are like an enormous, never ending, cross between a riddle & jigsaw puzzle. That keeps on changing & evolving. Always something new & different to try and figure out. I've never had one tiny little bit of formal schooling or education with computers, when I was at high school I think they had 2 computers for over 600 students. It was more look and admire than anything else. Anything I do with computers is all self taught, reading, biting off more than I can chew and chewing like hell, trial and error :)
A bit like my Mountain bikes. There is absolutely zero reason for me not to go out & buy complete bikes, but I much much prefer pottering around myself, selecting value for money components that do what I want, and bolting it all together. And then changing my mind, and trying out something different. But that's just me.
 
My home computing is just hobby stuff. Setting up & running my NAS and associated software, photo editing out of necessity more than anything else, and just plain old tinkering. Computers to me are like an enormous, never ending, cross between a riddle & jigsaw puzzle. That keeps on changing & evolving. Always something new & different to try and figure out. I've never had one tiny little bit of formal schooling or education with computers, when I was at high school I think they had 2 computers for over 600 students. It was more look and admire than anything else. Anything I do with computers is all self taught, reading, biting off more than I can chew and chewing like hell, trial and error :)
Heh.

I've been tinkering around with computers since a grade-school teacher brought in her TRS-80 Model I for us to play with; I must have been around 9 or 10 years old. And I've been playing with them ever since. :)

But for me, I draw a distinction between computers as a toy to play with, and computers as a tool to get something done. I've got a collection of old systems that I used or wanted when I was growing up, and they're fun to tinker with - one of those TRS-80 Model I's, a couple of Apple IIs (still need to find a Commodore PET to complete the trilogy), an Epson HX-20, Atari 400, TI 99/4A, Spectrum ZX, and more. And I enjoy the challenge of fussing with all the glitches and making them work again.

However, when I want to actually get something done, like photo editing, I want the computer to get out of my way and do things with the absolute minimum of fuss, hassle and maintenance. I want to focus on the task, not on how to make the computer do it. So something like Darktable or RawTherapee is the opposite of what I want.
 
I know the thread started in regards to Linux, but I guess it is more about the software to develop RAW and work with pictures now.

Maybe one point at which I think Dark table really shines are the tools to work with negatives of film and also processing infrared pictures

But in common, it's important to use the best tool for the expensive gear you bought.
 
I don't know how valuable your time is to you, but I guess just give in and buy a proper OS which can run much better photo editing tools. Kudos for the effort, and it is noble to go fully open source. But please don't torture yourself.

And if you hate Windows, just buy that Macbook. It is so much better for editing photo's. And even my MacBook Pro M1 from 2020 model with 512GB nvmd ssd and 16GB memory (but form December 2021) still has 92% battery capacity and can do 8 hours of photo editing without needing external power. In practice means when on holiday I can do like 4-5 days of going through my raw pictures, use Lightroom (or any other major app, or even rawtherpee) and post some pictures here, or whatever. For a short trip no need to bring a power supply.

Further more, no fan noise, no heat. Just snappy performance from an already old laptop, with a very nice color optimised screen. You can buy Microsoft Office on it, or Microsoft 365 subscription.
I have the same M1 Macbook from 2021 Pro. I love it as much as you seem to love yours!!
 
Heh.

I've been tinkering around with computers since a grade-school teacher brought in her TRS-80 Model I for us to play with; I must have been around 9 or 10 years old. And I've been playing with them ever since. :)
Ha, the "Trash" 80! That brings back memories.
But for me, I draw a distinction between computers as a toy to play with, and computers as a tool to get something done. I've got a collection of old systems that I used or wanted when I was growing up, and they're fun to tinker with - one of those TRS-80 Model I's, a couple of Apple IIs (still need to find a Commodore PET to complete the trilogy), an Epson HX-20, Atari 400, TI 99/4A, Spectrum ZX, and more. And I enjoy the challenge of fussing with all the glitches and making them work again.
I really wanted an Apple II but I just couldn't afford it. I ended up getting this as my first "real" computer (i'm ignoring the Acorn System 1 I got before it):


It was 6502 based (like the Apple II) and I had a lot of fun with it. But I eventually replaced that with a Z80-based machine called a Nascom 2:


I loved that machine! I got a Pascal implementation running on it called BLS Pascal that eventually went on to become Borland's Turbo Pascal.

I was amazed to find recently that someone has done a Nascom 2 emulator - so I can relive the experience if I want to.

 
I know the thread started in regards to Linux, but I guess it is more about the software to develop RAW and work with pictures now.

Maybe one point at which I think Dark table really shines are the tools to work with negatives of film and also processing infrared pictures

But in common, it's important to use the best tool for the expensive gear you bought.
Nah, I actually started it to see what Linux users (if any) where using to process their raw files. It just deviated a bit from that. Not that I'm in the slightest bit concerned.
Myself, as just a hobbyist I'm not that concerned about "the best" more about getting results that are pleasing to my eye. Without huge expense or effort. Otherwise we end up heading down that bottomless rabbit hole of more and more newer and more expensive gear. My S5 classic does what I want :)
 
Ha, the "Trash" 80! That brings back memories.

I really wanted an Apple II but I just couldn't afford it. I ended up getting this as my first "real" computer (i'm ignoring the Acorn System 1 I got before it):

Heh, those are cool. And I get not being able to afford it; my first 'real' computer was a TRS-80 Pocket Computer (essentially a souped-up calculator, but it ran BASIC...) because that's what I could afford.

Just to note, that collection is stuff I've assembled over the last 20 years from hunting garage/estate sales, at a tiny fraction of the original price. ^^;;
 
Ha ha. My work is at the opposite end of the spectrum than using computers. I make & build stuff. In the steel fabrication game. Yeah, I do use a computer and autoCAD a little bit for designing parts & structures etc, making workshop drawings and running CNC shape cutting machinery etc, but the vast majority is hands on, dirty, noisy, hot & sweaty muscle powered work :) And that's the way I like it. There is no way known that I could sit at a desk all day, wiggle a mouse & press computer buttons. No way :)
My home computing is just hobby stuff. Setting up & running my NAS and associated software, photo editing out of necessity more than anything else, and just plain old tinkering. Computers to me are like an enormous, never ending, cross between a riddle & jigsaw puzzle. That keeps on changing & evolving. Always something new & different to try and figure out. I've never had one tiny little bit of formal schooling or education with computers, when I was at high school I think they had 2 computers for over 600 students. It was more look and admire than anything else. Anything I do with computers is all self taught, reading, biting off more than I can chew and chewing like hell, trial and error :)
A bit like my Mountain bikes. There is absolutely zero reason for me not to go out & buy complete bikes, but I much much prefer pottering around myself, selecting value for money components that do what I want, and bolting it all together. And then changing my mind, and trying out something different. But that's just me.
A friend and former colleague of me went from software developer to a plane mechanic. He always loved to rebuild old machines and motors and put them back together. Did a road trip for 1,5 year from the Netherlands to South Africa, shipped to Japan, Korea, Russia and finally back. Crashed there Toyota Landcruiser on the back of still standing kamaz truck in a dust cloud from traffic in Siberia. When he came back to the netherworld he could not longer work behind a desk. A friendly of his gave him a job at a plane maintenance site and worked (and study) his way from the bottom up to head mechanic, partly running the place. Works there now for 15 years.

I think it is great to be able to do something like that. I’m not like that at all. I like to solve problems with software, but not developing a website… but with hardware/machinery. Be it robots, medical devices (laboratory stuff) and now for Defense. I like to solve very complex problems/ puzzles. Once you got computers communicating with hardware like that you land in a domain of communications, protocols, architecture, endless possibilities and complexity, all constrained by machinery and costs. So a mechanical engineer designs stuff, electrical engineer makes the firmware to make that hardware work, and lots of times I integrate that stuff to work together and do what they should do. So software engineering but with hardware. Mostly I use the Windows platform with c#, but also Linux and docker etc.

At home like Travis says I have a task to accomplish and I want the software get out of my way, and as convenient, reliable and save as possible. Tinkering with computers, devices and software is for work.
 
my workplace a few years back at a client (photography is not allowed where I work now). Working here with 3 devices concurrent, two on the desk, one "like a tower pc" device below the desk. That is actually called an oven for heating. Allo together it is the uhplc processing pipeline before the sample gets into the mass spectrometer. I've included the final setting "as used" also :)
My son uses that laptop for fun nowadays.
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  • Apple - iPhone 7
  • iPhone 7 back camera 3.99mm f/1.8
  • 4.0 mm
  • ƒ/1.8
  • 1/34 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • ISO 20

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  • Apple - iPhone 7
  • iPhone 7 back camera 3.99mm f/1.8
  • 4.0 mm
  • ƒ/1.8
  • 1/17 sec
  • Pattern
  • Auto exposure
  • ISO 64
 
Well I've shelved Darktable for the meantime, and been tinkering with Rawtherapee again. Since last night. It's just too unintuitive, and hard work for me. Spent over a week every night and a couple of weekends now watching video tutorials from the YouTube experts, is just not working for me. For some reason in Rawtherapee I can spend 5 minutes editing a file, and get as good or better results than half an hour of struggle in Darktable. Yeah, Darktable does seem to have lots more tools for finer and and more precise adjustments, but they're just plain abstruse/obscure to try and figure out, to me. So the learning curve starts again :)

Edit -installed Hugin, watched a tutorial, have not yet had the time to start tinkering with it
He he he he. Well that was short lived :) Back playing around with darktable. I "think" it might be finally starting to click with me. Or I with it, more likely. Finally. Been playing around with quite a few high contrast/high dynamic range images, watching more tutorial videos, and then compared results with what I've been getting out of Silkypix. I think I may have just been being a little bit hard on myself. They're looking just as good, sometimes maybe even a fraction better colour wise from darktable. Some are a bit better to my eye out of SP, but not a lot in it. And I have only been fiddling around for a week or two in darktable, so I'm guessing there's still quite a bit of room left for improvement. The learning curve continues................ :)
 
I use RawTherapee (on iMac) for converting my 1:1 macro shots of negatives to positive. It is a one click solution.
 
Here's one I've been tinkering with. Really bright highlights in the background, deep shadows in the foreground. I may have gotten a bit liberal raising the shadow areas, but it's only experimenting rather than making award winning images LoL
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  • Panasonic - DC-S5
  • LUMIX S 18/F1.8
  • 18.0 mm
  • ƒ/8
  • 1/100 sec
  • Pattern
  • Manual exposure
  • ISO 200
 
Here's one I've been tinkering with. Really bright highlights in the background, deep shadows in the foreground. I may have gotten a bit liberal raising the shadow areas, but it's only experimenting rather than making award winning images LoL
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I should add, that's all been done with no masking applied. Just by playing around in the tone & contrast equalizer modules, and targeting different areas on the curves. It's a completely different approach than just tweaking shadow/highlight sliders, you've just got to get your head around it :)
 
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