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Jonathan-Mac

Jonathan-Mac

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With the release of a $499 Nikon Z 50/1.4 to go along with their relatively cheap 35/1.4 (more to follow??), how about a range of f/1.4 primes for the L-mount without uber-sharpness and eye-watering weight and price? Would be great to see. I never expected Nikon to do something so un-Nikon as release budget f/1.4 primes.
 
Jonathan-Mac said:
With the release of a $499 Nikon Z 50/1.4 to go along with their relatively cheap 35/1.4 (more to follow??), how about a range of f/1.4 primes for the L-mount without uber-sharpness and eye-watering weight and price? Would be great to see. I never expected Nikon to do something so un-Nikon as release budget f/1.4 primes.
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I think this lens is optimal for video "thanks to smooth, twin STM motors, suppressed focus breathing and the clickless control Ring" (copy and paste from Dpreview).

Could be that they are trying to copy Lumix and the excellent S f/1.8 primes (18/24/35/50/85/100), which are optimazed for video. Nikon launched in June the Z 35mm f/1.4. with the exact same dimensions.

Nikon is trying hard to get some videographers... But they are far away from Sony, Lumix and Canon regarding video capabilities and features.
 
Yes, these look like Nikon's version of the Panny "plastic fantastic" primes. Which is to say, Nikon's 35 & 50 have almost the exact same weight and size as one another, as pointed out above. Just like the Panasonic F1.8 primes. Can you say "gimbal?"

But yes, they are F1.4 instead of F1.8. It will be interesting to see how useful they are wide-open, particularly with the comment that the are more about character vs. sharpness. Anyway, I don't see that difference being all that significant, but others may disagree.
 
Back on point, I'd love to see Tamron added to the L-mount alliance, but we all know Sigma may not be happy with that. I assume they have veto power but I don't know that for sure.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Back on point, I'd love to see Tamron added to the L-mount alliance, but we all know Sigma may not be happy with that. I assume they have veto power but I don't know that for sure.
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Also, Sony are big investors in Tamron. They might not be too keen for L-mount Tamron lenses.
 
One area L-mount is conspicuously short on is fast super-telephoto primes. Nikon has a good selection, and Sony seems to be working on it.

Of course, we need a body that justifies such lenses first. It will be interesting to see if Panasonic places much value on that market. Personally, even though I dabble in wildlife and wish my S1R had better CAF, I'd never spend the kind of money required of those fast, long primes. Sigma's 500mm is about as far as I could see going. And I wonder why anybody would switch from Nikon to L-mount if they had even one +$10,000 lens already in their arsenal. So it may be a dead-end for Panasonic. Unless there is a video angle!
 
pdk42 said:
Also, Sony are big investors in Tamron. They might not be too keen for L-mount Tamron lenses.
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There are also Tamron lenses for Nikon Z and Fuji X. Also as far as I know the Sony share in Tamron is not that huge.

Leica stated lately that they will not take action against third party AF lenses from manufacturers outside the alliance. That's may the reason, that we see AF lenses from Meike and there are rumors about other manufacturers doing AF lenses for L-Mount, like TTArtisans. But maybe the spread of the mount is still to small for Tamron and maybe they don't want to do reverse engineering.
 
Quentinquirelino said:
There are also Tamron lenses for Nikon Z and Fuji X. Also as far as I know the Sony share in Tamron is not that huge.

Leica stated lately that they will not take action against third party AF lenses from manufacturers outside the alliance. That's may the reason, that we see AF lenses from Meike and there are rumors about other manufacturers doing AF lenses for L-Mount, like TTArtisans. But maybe the spread of the mount is still to small for Tamron and maybe they don't want to do reverse engineering.
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Interesting. I wonder what the process and costs are to join the alliance and license the technology? Would be a real disappointment if the licence costs are more than the costs of reverse engineering.
 
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GeorgeHudetz said:
One area L-mount is conspicuously short on is fast super-telephoto primes. Nikon has a good selection, and Sony seems to be working on it.

Of course, we need a body that justifies such lenses first. It will be interesting to see if Panasonic places much value on that market. Personally, even though I dabble in wildlife and wish my S1R had better CAF, I'd never spend the kind of money required of those fast, long primes. Sigma's 500mm is about as far as I could see going. And I wonder why anybody would switch from Nikon to L-mount if they had even one +$10,000 lens already in their arsenal. So it may be a dead-end for Panasonic. Unless there is a video angle!
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What I want in the system is long, not bright, compact enough lenses.
I would gladly get a lens ending in F9-F10, but 800mm. That should be doable at the size of the current SPRO 70-200 F2.8, I guess (800/10 = 82mm entrance diameter) using the optical ideas that gave us the super compact 28-200.
A 300 - 800 F5.6 - F10.
The 150-600 or worse the 60-600 are both too large and too short, especially having Panny no modern AF high-MPIX (aka cropping) bodies.
 
pdk42 said:
Interesting. I wonder what the process and costs are to join the alliance and license the technology? Would be a real disappointment if the licence costs are more than the costs of reverse engineering.
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On the long run, licensing is probably more expensive. But with license you can assure better compatibility. If the performance, especially for AF, should be close to original lenses, you have to pay for the license.
 
CH_CH said:
What I want in the system is long, not bright, compact enough lenses.
I would gladly get a lens ending in F9-F10, but 800mm. That should be doable at the size of the current SPRO 70-200 F2.8, I guess (800/10 = 82mm entrance diameter) using the optical ideas that gave us the super compact 28-200.
A 300 - 800 F5.6 - F10.
The 150-600 or worse the 60-600 are both too large and too short, especially having Panny no modern AF high-MPIX (aka cropping) bodies.
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I would think at those focal lengths, you'd be better off with m43. The OM1 with the 100-400 f5-6.3 or even (if you can afford it), the 150-400 f4.5 would be much better options than an f10 800mm FF prime.
 
GeorgeHudetz said:
Yes, these look like Nikon's version of the Panny "plastic fantastic" primes. Which is to say, Nikon's 35 & 50 have almost the exact same weight and size as one another, as pointed out above. Just like the Panasonic F1.8 primes. Can you say "gimbal?"

But yes, they are F1.4 instead of F1.8. It will be interesting to see how useful they are wide-open, particularly with the comment that the are more about character vs. sharpness. Anyway, I don't see that difference being all that significant, but others may disagree.
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Except these are f/1.4, which in any other modern system, including the L-mount, is reserved for premium lenses - uber-sharp, huge and heavy. More than anything these lenses make me think of my Fujinon 35mm f/1.4, which is not a super-modern design, sharp across the field wide open, but it's sharp in the centre wide open and images just look great. It's one of those "magic" lenses that imbues images with character without being soft. And it's smaller, lighter and cheaper than the more modern 33mm f/1.4, which is a very modern design. I'd love to see a FF equivalent and that's what I suspect these "budget" f/1.4 Nikkors are.
 
Jonathan-Mac said:
Except these are f/1.4, which in any other modern system, including the L-mount, is reserved for premium lenses - uber-sharp, huge and heavy. More than anything these lenses make me think of my Fujinon 35mm f/1.4, which is not a super-modern design, sharp across the field wide open, but it's sharp in the centre wide open and images just look great. It's one of those "magic" lenses that imbues images with character without being soft. And it's smaller, lighter and cheaper than the more modern 33mm f/1.4, which is a very modern design. I'd love to see a FF equivalent and that's what I suspect these "budget" f/1.4 Nikkors are.
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Yeah, I dabbled with an XE1 back in the day. Wasn't impressed with the camera's handling & features, and I hated the X-trans raw files; but the 35mm f1.4 I had with it was superb. Fantastic short portrait lens.
 
Oíche said:
Personally I wouldn't have another system such as M43 just for reach, I like owning one camera and being minimalist.
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I think that's an excellent approach.
 
CH_CH said:
What I want in the system is long, not bright, compact enough lenses.
I would gladly get a lens ending in F9-F10, but 800mm. That should be doable at the size of the current SPRO 70-200 F2.8, I guess (800/10 = 82mm entrance diameter) using the optical ideas that gave us the super compact 28-200.
A 300 - 800 F5.6 - F10.
The 150-600 or worse the 60-600 are both too large and too short, especially having Panny no modern AF high-MPIX (aka cropping) bodies.
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Well, you can put a teleconverter on either of the Sigma super-teles, which gives you 840mm @ F9. I use the 150-600 that way on the S1R and am reasonably happy with full-crops, although I'm sure the Sigma 500mm F5.6 would give more detail, albeit at 700mm instead of 840.

Yes the 150-600 is heavy to hold, but the kit weight ends up being roughly the same as the two Canon F11 primes, with a much more versatile kit. I was initially a little envious of those two canon primes at first but after reading the reviews I'll take the Sigma 150-600 any time. Remember, AF performance suffers - particularly in the shade - when the minimal aperture is F11. It's also much easier to find your subject in the viewfinder at 150mm (or 210mm) and then zoom in on it, than searching around at 600 or 800mm.

But I could see why somebody would prefer the two lighter lenses as they are easier to hand-hold.

Having said all that, I'd love a 300-600 to compliment the 70-300. Presumably could save a little weight there. Give it linear motors and make it compatible with TCs and that would be my ideal super-tele zoom lens. As a bonus make it sharp enough on the long end that a 2x TC would produce decent shots, and that would be amazing. Heck, I'd even take a 300-500 in that case.
 
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pdk42 said:
I would think at those focal lengths, you'd be better off with m43. The OM1 with the 100-400 f5-6.3 or even (if you can afford it), the 150-400 f4.5 would be much better options than an f10 800mm FF prime.
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I am already in MfT, and I love it, but the top ceiling of IQ in FF is higher and I would love to profit from it.
The G9ii with the 50-200 is a combination that you would need to kill me to remove from my hands.
I really do not like much the colors of OM and the video, it looks cheap, so OM is unfortunately a no go except for compact camera for social events.
 
CH_CH said:
I am already in MfT, and I love it, but the top ceiling of IQ in FF is higher and I would love to profit from it.
The G9ii with the 50-200 is a combination that you would need to kill me to remove from my hands.
I really do not like much the colors of OM and the video, it looks cheap, so OM is unfortunately a no go except for compact camera for social events.
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Do you like the G9ii? What do you mostly use it for?
 
Quentinquirelino said:
There are also Tamron lenses for Nikon Z and Fuji X. Also as far as I know the Sony share in Tamron is not that huge.

Leica stated lately that they will not take action against third party AF lenses from manufacturers outside the alliance. That's may the reason, that we see AF lenses from Meike and there are rumors about other manufacturers doing AF lenses for L-Mount, like TTArtisans. But maybe the spread of the mount is still to small for Tamron and maybe they don't want to do reverse engineering.
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Several Nikon lenses are rebadged Tamron lenses, like the Nikon 28-75/2.8
 
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