Video monitors, screens and things

[Oíche]

Talk started in another thread regarding monitors and uses OLED TVs for colour grading video.

I find LG OLED good as a TV but poor regarding colour reproduction whereas my Poco F6 phone which I now use exclusively is excellent although obviously small:



I also have a ViewSonic VP2468 photography monitor from around 5 years ago in storage. I loved using it in portrait mode where it swivelled 90°. I has 14 bit LUTs, calibrated from factory and although 1080p was gorgeous, no HDR and but the colour reproduction was whatvwas required for oro ohoto editing, for prints and this type of monitor is what is really needed for colour grading, not an LG TV! I even gamed on it and the colours were really something special beyond OLED TV and its an IPS screen!
https://uk.pcmag.com/monitors/87341/viewsonic-vp2468

 

[xaviergut]

This is the famous LG OLED TV 42 C4 (last version, good for colorgrading):

LG 42 Zoll LG OLED evo C4 4K Smart TV OLED42C4 | LG Österreich

Informieren Sie sich über OLED42C48LA Hier finden Sie Bilder, Bewertungen und technische Daten für LG OLED42C48LA : 42 Zoll LG OLED evo C4 4K Smart TV OLED42C4

www.lg.com

But they have all kind of monitors, including monitors for gaming:

Gaming Monitore | Maximale Performance | LG DE

Gestochen scharf & ultraschnell: Bringe die Grafik deiner Spiele mit einem 4K Gaming Monitor von LG aufs nächste Level. Jetzt entdecken!

www.lg.com

Just to have an idea about the prices and models.

 

[Oíche]

This is the famous LG OLED TV 42 C4 (last version, good for colorgrading):

Mmmmmm it doesn't look designed for creators and it wouldn't be in the league of a calibrated monitor (mine is within 2% accuracy and you even get a calibration report with results).

That C4 is more for gamers with 144Hz refresh rate and you pay a premium for this, you don't need this for photography or videography. It's a good TV but designed as that... TBH you'd see a significant difference if you compared them.

Seeing I've been doing editing on a phone, the 24" monitor I have is plenty. Screen size is all about how far away you are from it, you're hardly going to be editing on a 42" screen 2-3 feet away.

I might get it out later to try it again, I'm talking as a photographer needing exactly matched prints but it would apply to video also if you really need such accuracy.

 

[CharlesH]

Mmmmmm it doesn't look designed for creators and it wouldn't be in the league of a calibrated monitor ....

The studios here buy consumer grade TVs like this and then color calibrate them to their standards. My neighbor is a studio engineer and says the days of expensive studio monitors are long gone.

 

[Oíche]

The studios here buy consumer grade TVs like this and then color calibrate them to their standards. My neighbor is a studio engineer and says the days of expensive studio monitors are long gone.

How do you do that on my OLED? There is no provision for it nor has any 14-bit 3D look-up table generating 4.39 trillion colors which my monitor has etc etc. The TV has no modes for sRGB, Adobe RGB or such colour spaces.

Like I said in the other thread there is no comparison between my OLED and phone/monitor, if it could do this with my M1 Mac Mini attached for editing it would be great but it isn't besides doing proper OLED black.

Even though the Viewsonic ColorPro monitor is IPS it simply looks superior, monochrome image editing despite not having true blacks as OLED does looks outstanding as it does seamless gradation etc.

Ask your friend how this is done with an OLED TV as obviously I'd want to use it.

It's weird as the LG factory screensavers on my OLED TV of famous paintings look incredible like the real thing hanging on the wall but as a photo editing monitor with M1 Mac Mini... No way! I'm using LG TV SSCR2 colour profile in the Mac... Hold on I had HDR disabled on Mac, now looks better but I'll report back, I still have to choose these TV colour profiles but I have standard selected now.

Another thing is this Adobe Lightroom (non classic) sucks big time, I used to have the classic version.

This thread could be very useful.

 

[CharlesH]

Ask your friend how this is done with an OLED TV as obviously I'd want to use it.

If I get a chance I'll ask him.

But what I did, I used a Blackmagic DeckLink capture card so my computer could communicate video to the LG TV. I was editing video, not photos. The color was very good, but I did not attempt to further calibrate it. You can video a color calibration chart and then show it on the TV and see that it looks right.

 

[Oíche]

If I get a chance I'll ask him.

Thanks

But what I did, I used a Blackmagic DeckLink capture card so my computer could communicate video to the LG TV. I was editing video, not photos. The color was very good, but I did not attempt to further calibrate it. You can video a color calibration chart and then show it on the TV and see that it looks right.

Maybe there are methods to calibrate some of them but after posting and switching Mac to HDR output it vastly improved but...

Comparing LR synched photos between phone (the new flagship one I posted above) and OLED TV there is a massive difference in colour saturation and there is nothing can be done with the OLED TV to bring it anywhere near the level on phone. I read similar in rtings about the LG C4 TV.

From memory my Viewsonic ColorPro has similar saturation to the new phone. Obviously I'm comparing for photography but video will be affected also. I remember watching blurays and gaming on the Viewsonic around 5 years ago and it looked astounding because of the richness or saturation and accuracy. I'm not talking about false bloated looking over saturation either like many people did or still do in PPing photos to the point of ruination.

So whilst you could colour grade successfully on some of these I'm not sure the saturation affects this process.

I'll get the Viewsonic out again and compare it with the phone this time and report.

I'd love to be getting the same IQ from the OLED but I'm not, the colours were more accurate this time and brighter with standard picture mode and HDR enabled on Mac mini but not the saturation which in comparison looked washed out... Again I'll compare the monitor soon.

Casting jpegs to the TV from phone still looks bad, I wish it was the same but nope.

BTW when I say calibration I mean real calibration using a sensor like the Spyder X products, my TV has no provision to adjust the colours like my monitor has with results from the Spyder calibration tool.

https://try-spyder.datacolor.com/spyder-Europe/

Now I never bought one of these and just bought the Viewsonic factory calibrated monitor, the whole purpose of it was for monitor to print accuracy for 30" x 20" prints I was doing and costing me £30 each

I'd hate to price them now, probably £40+ now, expensive photo lab but you get what you pay for.

 

[Nevyn72]

How do you do that on my OLED? There is no provision for it nor has any 14-bit 3D look-up table generating 4.39 trillion colors which my monitor has etc etc. The TV has no modes for sRGB, Adobe RGB or such colour spaces.

Like I said in the other thread there is no comparison between my OLED and phone/monitor, if it could do this with my M1 Mac Mini attached for editing it would be great but it isn't besides doing proper OLED black.

Even though the Viewsonic ColorPro monitor is IPS it simply looks superior, monochrome image editing despite not having true blacks as OLED does looks outstanding as it does seamless gradation etc.

Ask your friend how this is done with an OLED TV as obviously I'd want to use it.

It's weird as the LG factory screensavers on my OLED TV of famous paintings look incredible like the real thing hanging on the wall but as a photo editing monitor with M1 Mac Mini... No way! I'm using LG TV SSCR2 colour profile in the Mac... Hold on I had HDR disabled on Mac, now looks better but I'll report back, I still have to choose these TV colour profiles but I have standard selected now.

Another thing is this Adobe Lightroom (non classic) sucks big time, I used to have the classic version.

This thread could be very useful.

I'm also following the Facebook group for professional Davinci Colorist, and almost all colorists use a LG television for that, because it can be calibrated near perfect.

However, you do need the BMD Decklink as stated by @CharlesH and a pro to calibrate it.

For my purposes a standard HDMI and movie-'mode' would be enough for now. I have to improve more before I can justify a Decklink...

And I use a laptop and no Decklink fits in it, and the external version needs thunderbolt, and thats also what my AMD based laptop lacks...

 

[Oíche]

This is the famous LG OLED TV 42 C4 (last version, good for colorgrading):

Xavier, for both my, yours and the greater community knowledge I compared mine vs C4 on rtings... Basically the same image quality but as I said the C4 has higher refresh rate for gamers and more modern gubbins for TV stuff, but these have no advantage for photo/video editing and my above findings for my other equipment is what it is.

I paid about £270 for my 24" ViewSonic ColorPro 1080p, their top creative orientated 32" 4k model is less than £600. So paying £1500 for a 42" LG C4 for photo/video editing is perhaps not ideal.

I know the idea is to combine both into a lounge TV/monitor and I've done this myself and have advised others to do so. For a general computer user it is excellent, get rid of a horrible conputer desk, bluetooth mouse and/or combo keyboard and edit from the couch but as I said I'm now using a phone LoL and that's why the photo monitor is in storage

 

[Nevyn72]

This is a much to dangerous thread I just found out, I just bought the LG Oled Evo C3 42" (Lg TV) for €894,- ..

Should arrive this weekend

 

[xaviergut]

get rid of a horrible conputer desk, bluetooth mouse and/or combo keyboard and edit from the couch

hahaha

 

[xaviergut]

This is a much to dangerous thread I just found out, I just bought the LG Oled Evo C3 42" (Lg TV) for €894,- ..

Should arrive this weekend

the initial price was €1,399... you have saved 500 euros, not bad at all. Here in Austria the best price is 789 €...

LG OLED42C35LA 42 Zoll 4K UHD Smart TV Modell 2023, Single Tuner Schwarz-21100-1

Einfach brillant: Der neue α9 Gen6 AI Prozessor 4K Der α9 Gen6 AI Prozessor 4K wurde eigens für die LG OLED TVs optimiert. Klarheit bis ins kleinste Detail, leuchtende

www.gamingoase.de

It's too tempting, we have to do something to close this thread hahahaha

 

[Nevyn72]

the initial price was €1,399... you have saved 500 euros, not bad at all. Here in Austria the best price is 789 €...

Yeah we dutch always pay to much This was the lowest price what I could find...

 

[xaviergut]

Actually this is a german webpage (for gamers), and in Germany happens a lot that you find very good prices for electronic stuff.

But, I am going to wait for the LG OLED 42 TV because this month of July I have already covered my monthly fee for camera gear... I just I broke my Olympus TG-6, which was very good for underwater photos and videos, and now I decided to buy an action cam, the DJI Osmo Action 4, which is ideal for the summer and making family videos in the pool, to make POV videos, timelapses, Hyperlapses when I take my dog for a walk and it even serves as a Dashcam for the car. It is a camera that gives many creative options... but hey, it's my last electronic toy hahahaha and I'm going to wait until the end of summer to buy more stuff in order to save my marriage

 

[Nevyn72]

Actually this is a german webpage (for gamers), and in Germany happens a lot that you find very good prices for electronic stuff.

But, I am going to wait for the LG OLED 42 TV because this month of July I have already covered my monthly fee for camera gear... I just I broke my Olympus TG-6, which was very good for underwater photos and videos, and now I decided to buy an action cam, the DJI Osmo Action 4, which is ideal for the summer and making family videos in the pool, to make POV videos, timelapses, Hyperlapses when I take my dog for a walk and it even serves as a Dashcam for the car. It is a camera that gives many creative options... but hey, it's my last electronic toy hahahaha and I'm going to wait until the end of summer to buy more stuff in order to save my marriage

Yeah, i'm also oogling the DJI Action 4, so please stop.... I also want to save my marriage

 

[xaviergut]

Yeah, i'm also oogling the DJI Action 4, so please stop.... I also want to save my marriage

hahahaha

 

[CharlesH]

I'm also following the Facebook group for professional Davinci Colorist, and almost all colorists use a LG television for that, because it can be calibrated near perfect.

I found this excellent tutorial on how to calibrate LG OLED TVs. For us video nuts it is very interesting to watch, but it is clear if I want my LG OLED screens calibrated I will use a professional.

 

[CharlesH]

While on the topic of spending money, and on displays, I'd like to mention the Pro Display XDR. It took me quite a while to work up to buying this display. But as my interest in HDR grew I finally took the plunge. The pioneers in affordable HDR were Apple, with an HDR workflow for Final Cut Pro, and Panasonic Lumix cameras with 10 bit video. So in that era I moved from Windows to Mac, and then from Sony mirrorless to Lumix. The more recent MacBook Pros have HDR screens, and working with this I saw the advantages of an HDR screen, and got the Pro Display XDR as an external display for my MacBook Pro. Another recent benefit is that Lightroom can now process our RAW photos in HDR.

 

[Nevyn72]

While on the topic of spending money, and on displays, I'd like to mention the Pro Display XDR. It took me quite a while to work up to buying this display. But as my interest in HDR grew I finally took the plunge. The pioneers in affordable HDR were Apple, with an HDR workflow for Final Cut Pro, and Panasonic Lumix cameras with 10 bit video. So in that era I moved from Windows to Mac, and then from Sony mirrorless to Lumix. The more recent MacBook Pros have HDR screens, and working with this I saw the advantages of an HDR screen, and got the Pro Display XDR as an external display for my MacBook Pro. Another recent benefit is that Lightroom can now process our RAW photos in HDR.

Just saw the price That would cost me my marriage For now I'll be very happy with my LG C3

 

[CharlesH]

About the LG OLED TVs, if you have put together a video, say with DaVinci Resolve, what is the best way to view it on that TV?

Here is how I do it. You can play the videos via the USB input on the TV. First output (Deliver) the video from Resolve with H.265 Master. This format plays on LG TVs. If the video is HDR choose MAIN10 as the encoding profile. Then transfer the video file to a USB storage device that can be attached to the TV. I use an old Samsung T5 SSD for this. And I have various folders on the SSD, for different cameras and other topics. Then attach this SSD to the TV, select it as an input device, and it will bring up a menu so you can select and play any video on the SSD. Relax and enjoy the video.